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If SR is 30% better then BD and at least 10-15% better then PD, and the 8550 is a Deca-Core, looks like i will be saying Good-Bye to Intel... wink.gif Least until "Skyline" hits with 8 CORES @ 4.2Ghz and 22MB L3 Cache.

Or i might go FX-8350 when they go under $150 after SR drops...decisions, decisions.... biggrin.gif

I have doubts a Decacore can be fitted onto AM3+ platform on 28nm process with a reasonable TDP, that's asking a lot out of a Global Foundry half-node shrink(32->28).
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If SR is 30% better then BD and at least 10-15% better then PD, and the 8550 is a Deca-Core, looks like i will be saying Good-Bye to Intel... wink.gif Least until "Skyline" hits with 8 CORES @ 4.2Ghz and 22MB L3 Cache.

Or i might go FX-8350 when they go under $150 after SR drops...decisions, decisions.... biggrin.gif

And why did they say that? Because a certain former AMD employee said it... And boy was he wrong wink.gif
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If SR is 30% better then BD and at least 10-15% better then PD, and the 8550 is a Deca-Core, looks like i will be saying Good-Bye to Intel... wink.gif Least until "Skyline" hits with 8 CORES @ 4.2Ghz and 22MB L3 Cache.

Or i might go FX-8350 when they go under $150 after SR drops...decisions, decisions.... biggrin.gif

I have doubts a Decacore can be fitted onto AM3+ platform on 28nm process with a reasonable TDP, that's asking a lot out of a Global Foundry half-node shrink(32->28).

True, but AM4 then? And i think after the TDP of a OCed FX8350, i doubt that is an issue for the Deca-core's.

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If SR is 30% better then BD and at least 10-15% better then PD, and the 8550 is a Deca-Core, looks like i will be saying Good-Bye to Intel... wink.gif Least until "Skyline" hits with 8 CORES @ 4.2Ghz and 22MB L3 Cache.

Or i might go FX-8350 when they go under $150 after SR drops...decisions, decisions.... biggrin.gif

And why did they say that? Because a certain former AMD employee said it... And boy was he wrong wink.gif

True, but it was a "What If, lets hope" kind of statement i made.

Bottom line is this, i used to be a Intel FTW guy, but these days with Intel wanting $1,000+ for a 6-Core CPU VS 8 Core AMD for $175... and Crysis 3 Benchs in mind, i think i have had my eyes open and will go with what ever performs better in games, at a good Price..Period.
 
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Firstly the integrated HD gpus are starting to get pretty beefy, People just won't get out of the stigma "INTEL IGP = CRAP" That being said they aren't a match for AMd's Gcn YET, keyword, YET, ANother few years of intels 40-50% performance leaps in igp and it may be a problem


IF this is a decacore 8550 10 cores 4ghz? i'll personaly fly down and get myself one, Hug it squeeze it kiss it, then overclock it's balls off and go to town on people.

The dodeca gives me some excitement in my nethers too, specially considering I do so much rendering/texture baking.

The thing with Intel iGPU is that it's so far behind that it's nearly impossible to catch up. Intel still, after the Tom's preview, can't really offer a playable experience at 1080p. It might catch up to Trinity and the rest of AMD's APUs but that's going to be Intel's best competing against AMD's "just good enough for the die size". Intel has so much more money than AMD and Nvidia (combined!) and they've been trying and failing for so long (remember the first rumors of Larrabee?) to just be an option other than "complete garbage" compared to AMD and Nvidia.

Not to mention, does Intel even have a working GDDR5 memory controller? AMD holds all the strings with GDDR5 as they basically made it, and even Nvidia is struggling making a good memory controller. Even if Intel iGPU can pull some decent numbers and close in some gaps, the technology chasm between the two is massive.

If HSA gets big, Intel is going to have a very tough monster to fend off. Not to mention a ton of ARM players are going to be in on it too, so Intel might end up having to face HSA on ARM with the big old coalition and then fend off HSA on x86 with AMD.

All of this is super important to finding out where Steamroller is going to fall compared to what Intel has. For the last several years, we've been stuck in a software rut (I blame this on ancient consoles for games) and that entire thing is shifting. If Steamroller is only 10% faster in Starcraft 2, but every other game is scaling to 15 cores, then we're going to have to re-assess what makes a good gaming CPU all over again.

And I think looking at how PS4 and 720 are going to evolve games is going to have to do with when Steamroller FX drops. AMD is done acting like that idiotic ugly guy who is in the friendzone (PLEASE BUY MY THING LOOK AT ME IT COSTS LESS!!! OMG WHY DONT U LOVE ME YET) and I think they're getting smart enough to realize that if they release a product around the time that benchmarks will look in their favor (think BF4 optimized for PS4 as a benchmark replacing something like Skyrim). I just wonder if we'll see something happen like AMD getting ready to drop 7990 and then Nvidia dropping FCAT and going "microstutter has existed forever but now look at PCPER they say Crossfire is WORTHLESS! TITAN4LYFE"

It's going to be interesting to see how AMD handles this this time. If my memory serves me right, their history is a lot of them trying to make the first move and then getting owned. Hell, it even happened with "we gotta get 7970 out ASAP who needs good drivers!" and then GTX 680 running away with benchmarketing victories left and right for 6 months until AMD fixed their drivers (and they're still not fixed if you consider frame times broken).

So I don't really know if AMD is better yet but I'm starting to have hope. Hope that I haven't had in a very long time considering Phenom 1 and Bulldozer
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From what I remember the figures AMD gave for PD's performance increase were mostly spot on, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Hoping it's spot on this time too. Fingers crossed!
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If it does beat it, it'd be by as much as IB...AMD already offers "good enough" performance for most games (Despite what half of OCN would say, the difference is tiny for most games and at real world settings) and their 8 core performance is outstanding. (Sometimes coming up to i7 level for a lower price)

I wonder how many times you have said this? tongue.gif

I swear I've seen you say this at least 100 different times, in different threads. It always goes something like this.

Your quad Bulldozer chip is as good as the 3570K in gaming. Or, You cannot tell the difference between your BD and IVY chip.

The 8350 is as good or faster than the 3770K in multi-threaded scenarios.

SR will be as fast as Ivy Bridge, or close to. It may even be as fast as Haswell.

You continually state all this and remind us of these facts, despite what half of OCN thinks.

Don't you feel like a broken record sometimes?

P.S. tongue.gif
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The only thing I want out of SR is lower power consumption and better OC scaling. As it is, the voltage required and the heat produced is insane for my PD.
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post #98 of 718
so to summarize , most pc gamers after years of tired ports are anticipating like for like and better games ports based on x86 architecture

to further break that down

PS4 = AMD
Xbox = AMD

X86 optimised games, optimised based on AMD architecture


This could turn the tables. Regardless of intel demolishing on TDP and per core performance (which may benefit many in other non game applications but usually that's the reverse) the reality could be all the games now work better on AMD going into 2014 and the parts are cheaper to buy thinking.gif

Im not a fanboy and the above is speculation but I would be amused if after all the recent AMD hate that in the long run their so called bad decisions turn out to be their greatest triumph
post #99 of 718
I am expecting about a 15% performance increase over PD . I am hoping that they bring out a new chipset with it ,that fixes the Crossfire bottleneck - with maybe Pcie Gen3 and native USB3 .
I am more interested in the platform as a whole and how it performs rather than just a single component . Nothing that extreme just a tidy up and bring things up to date .
Here's hoping - anyway .
post #100 of 718
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so to summarize , most pc gamers after years of tired ports are anticipating like for like and better games ports based on x86 architecture

to further break that down

PS4 = AMD
Xbox = AMD

X86 optimised games, optimised based on AMD architecture


This could turn the tables. Regardless of intel demolishing on TDP and per core performance (which may benefit many in other non game applications but usually that's the reverse) the reality could be all the games now work better on AMD going into 2014 and the parts are cheaper to buy thinking.gif

Im not a fanboy and the above is speculation but I would be amused if after all the recent AMD hate that in the long run their so called bad decisions turn out to be their greatest triumph

Consoles running AMD CPU's makes no difference at all when it comes to PC CPU performance, Intel will still be faster then AMD...
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