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the system please comment below so I can make a change to it before I decide to finalize my purchase.
Potential Build
MOBO: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K
GPU: GTX 670 FTW
PSU: COOLER MASTER Silent Pro Gold Series 1000W
CPU COOLING: Corsair H100i
Memory: G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)
CDROM: ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM
Hard drives: Have no idea. (Any suggestions)

Case: COOLER MASTER HAF X

1) MOBO: Overpriced, overhyped - not necessary. Go with ASRock Z77 Extreme6 or Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H. Same or better features, same or better overclocking potential for much less money.

2) CPU: You don't need a 3770K, Hyperthreading does not help Gaming in all reality. Go with a 3570K. Saves you $100 right there.

3) GPU: Fine, but realize, in order to get that performance out of it you are really going to want to overclock that thing (and a Bios flash helps that potential heaps), might want to go the 7970 GHz Edition route if you are afraid of overclocking (nothing to be a afraid of, and you can learn how to do it rather quickly; still something to think about)

4) PSU: Not a bad PSU by any means, but not needed either. Seasonic X-850 is on sale after rebate @ Newegg.com for $139.99. Can't beat that. It will be more than enough for Crossfire or SLI in the future.

5) CPU Cooling: H100i, awesome, very awesome. Except, how far into the overclocking rabbit hole are you going to go? If you are planning on doing a light overclock of 4.2-4.5GHz (which is easily achievable by any newb - after reading a little literature [the overclocking guides on this website]) then you don't need to spend that much money. A CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo or Thermalright TrueSpirit 140 will help you reach anywhere from 4.2-4.6GHz without too much issues on the heat end.

6) Memory: G.SKILL Sniper Gaming Series is only 1600MHz Ram. First, you don't need 16GB for a gaming rig. 8GB is more than enough. Second, 1866MHz or 2133MHz ram is really not that much more money these days for 8GB kits. Go with the G.Skill Sniper Series 2133. Really not that much more money.

Besides that looks good.

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Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 3/31/13 at 6:36pm
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welcome to OCN Jack0928! smile.gif
And again welcome to the PC side thumb.gif

you have seemed to have done a fair bit of research already, there are a few things you could change though, firstly I also agree that a 600w or 750w PSU will suffice. For your ram 8GB is ample for gaming, 16gb is fine too and should last a long time, however do realise that usually the smaller the capacity of the stick the faster CAS timings you can get, so unless you plan to upgrade you can get four 4gb sticks. I don't know all the price./performance comparisons of Intel CPU's but I do know that AMD CPU's have great price to performance ratio, not saying you should get it but I would just have a look at an AMD FX-8320 CPU.

For graphics I would try and gather all the money you can and get the best GPU you can afford, try a GTX680 or a AMD HD7970 In my opinion the AMD again offers better price to performance ratio here

Hard drives, I would recommend Western Digital or Samsung HDD's, I have been using them for 10years+ and have never had issued with them, also Hitachi are apparently rebranded Western Digitals so they would probably be good too. Do get an SSD if you can afford it, great performance increase, Try to stick with good brands like Intel, Corsair, Kingston or Samsung.

All in all you do have a good looking selection though thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Waszipa View Post

#8 jihawn

Right SLI doesn't hurt performance, ofc smile.gif However it'll still be noisy. Then power thing will only show up on your electricity bill wink.gif

#9 Jack0982

Since he wanna run 3D 60 is recommended as peak minimum, so FPS 120 is well over 3D's need. So same thing as before, you gotta need it.

The human eye can only see around 25 FPS and 3D needs double since you're fouling the eyes, one eye at the time. That been said there are still a lot of scientists believing the human eye can see around 30 fps and up to 50 fps on adrenalin (That's also why time seems to slow down if you're in an accident)

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welcome to OCN Jack0928! smile.gif
And again welcome to the PC side thumb.gif

you have seemed to have done a fair bit of research already, there are a few things you could change though, firstly I also agree that a 600w or 750w PSU will suffice. For your ram 8GB is ample for gaming, 16gb is fine too and should last a long time, however do realise that usually the smaller the capacity of the stick the faster CAS timings you can get, so unless you plan to upgrade you can get four 4gb sticks. I don't know all the price./performance comparisons of Intel CPU's but I do know that AMD CPU's have great price to performance ratio, not saying you should get it but I would just have a look at an AMD FX-8320 CPU.

For graphics I would try and gather all the money you can and get the best GPU you can afford, try a GTX680 or a AMD HD7970 In my opinion the AMD again offers better price to performance ratio here

Hard drives, I would recommend Western Digital or Samsung HDD's, I have been using them for 10years+ and have never had issued with them, also Hitachi are apparently rebranded Western Digitals so they would probably be good too. Do get an SSD if you can afford it, great performance increase, Try to stick with good brands like Intel, Corsair, Kingston or Samsung.

All in all you do have a good looking selection though thumb.gif
Well I'm hearing a lot that I won't need my CPU for gaming and the programs I'm going to use. My question is what programs would make that CPU necessary.

Also even though you may not be able to see 120hz, being at 120hz just makes your game smoother and run at a faster rate. Now me as a twitch shooter player needs the game to be smooth at the highest video settings possible, now if I'm able to do that with the builds you recommend great I will 100% jump onto it.

Regarding over clocking I really don't know much about it. Are there different levels of over clicking and if so what kind of frame rate increases will I get by doing so?
Edited by Jack0928 - 3/31/13 at 6:58pm
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my i7 is used for a program I use that performs diagnostics and programs computers on cars and trucks, I also edit videos and use CAD and photo editing programs, but I think my photo program is more dependent on my 24 gigs of ram.
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post #15 of 38
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Well I'm hearing a lot that I won't need my CPU for gaming and the programs I'm going to use. My question is what programs would make that CPU necessary.

Also even though you may not be able to see 120hz, being at 120hz just makes your game smoother and run at a faster rate. Now me as a twitch shooter player needs the game to be smooth at the highest video settings possible, now if I'm able to do that with the builds you recommend great I will 100% jump onto it.

Regarding over clicking I really don't know much about it. Are there different levels of over clicking and if so what kind of frame rate increases will I get by doing so?

yeah games don't really use the CPU much, only programs that use a lot of algorithms max the CPU out like video encoders for example there is pretty much nothing else that most home users would run day to day that would use the CPU much. apart from stress testing and video encoding I rarely see my CPU above 40%

again yes the human eye cannot notice much more than 30fps but if you get a better card there will be no difference between 120 and 80fps at the moment but you will be able to play games at a higher fps further into the future before you have to upgrade.

by over clicking I'm guessing you mean overclocking yes you can get some decent framerate improvement by overclocking you GPU somewhere between 10 to 20 fps depending on how much you overclock and the game, you would overclock your CPU to keep up with the GPU as it can sometimes become a bottleneck
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post #16 of 38
oh god, don't get a Sabertooth Z77. Get a Gigabyte UP5 or something; it's so much better for the price.

The UP5 has an 8 phase PWM and the Sabertooth has a doubled 4 phase. The 8 phase is much better. The UP5 also has better MOSFETs. I recall a couple of other features being better on the UP5, as well.
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Oh yeah, forgot.
I wrote a new GPU every 2 year because, every 2. year my options are always the same and this has happened over the last 6 year.

I always buy a GPU for around 300-400$. Every 2. year there is a new card capable of double the performance for 300-400$. In the mean time my old card has dropped to 150-200$ so SLI/crossfire is an option, but then i rethink and say to my self;
Okey SLI will need more power.. So 3 hours of gaming a day x 250W x 365 days x 2 years = 547,5 KWh
547,5 x 0,39$ = 213,5$

Noisy SLI upgrade:
175$ GPU
213,5$ Higher power bill over 2 years
388,5$ total

Regular upgrade:
350$ GPU

So the way i see it using SLI as an upgrade option is that same as taking a low cost loan, with the benefit of a noisy computer wink.gif
post #18 of 38
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Well I'm hearing a lot that I won't need my CPU for gaming and the programs I'm going to use. My question is what programs would make that CPU necessary.

Also even though you may not be able to see 120hz, being at 120hz just makes your game smoother and run at a faster rate. Now me as a twitch shooter player needs the game to be smooth at the highest video settings possible, now if I'm able to do that with the builds you recommend great I will 100% jump onto it.

Regarding over clocking I really don't know much about it. Are there different levels of over clicking and if so what kind of frame rate increases will I get by doing so?

1. As for programs with high need.

I only use 1 and that's Solid Works. A program where i can design items i wanna make in my CNC machines. But even that program will only be needing a good CPU at assembly drawing witch we use like 5% of the time.

+ the best kind of CPU for that kinda og job is AMD 8 cores i think.. That's what we got in the newest workstation we got on work anyway.

2. Yeap, well it's been proven to be placebo effect. Sry to say. But it's also been proven that gamers have high % of adreanlin whill gaming Counter Strike (Yeap the old game, it was an old test). The gamers had both high pulds and adrenalin + ofc all the effects adrenalin has on the body. So you can proberly see 40 fps in intense battles.

3. Then buy i5-3470 or the 6 cores thingy. The i5-3570K, the "K" means it's unlocked, designed for overclocking and you pay for it. So just walk around all those ending on K


I have no idea if i may link to tomshardware but on their site there is something that can help you.
Under "charts" you can chose to see a list of GPU's performance in games, both single card and SLI/Crossfire

In there you just chose you're screen resolution + game and check what the cards can do.

In my experience the charts on their site has always been super close to the actual builds i've made, with-in +or- 1-2%
Edited by Waszipa - 3/31/13 at 7:35pm
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Ok so based on this forum the popular recomendation seems to be the 3570, and surrounding the talk of the motherboard the sabertooth z77 I have heard nothing but great reviews about it so I want to be sure that before I go with something else that the other motherboard is on the same level as it and that it will also be able to support the features that I want.
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Ok so based on this forum the popular recomendation seems to be the 3570, and surrounding the talk of the motherboard the sabertooth z77 I have heard nothing but great reviews about it so I want to be sure that before I go with something else that the other motherboard is on the same level as it and that it will also be able to support the features that I want.

3570k will do you perfect for gaming, 2500k if you want to save some extra money....Make sure to the the "K" versions (unlocked for overclocking), for example i5-2500 and i5-2500K are two different CPU's.The Sabertooth Z77 is also a good mobo, i highly suggest it thumb.gif
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