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Why do you say FRAPS is not good enough? Because Nvidia said so?

By the way, you are doing a great job with your comparaisons Eric thumb.gif

No, because AMD say so too tongue.gif
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post #102 of 542
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Why do you say FRAPS is not good enough? Because Nvidia said so?
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AMD, quite bluntly, has a problem with how FRAPS is being used in some cases. To be clear here FRAPS is a wonderful tool, and without it we would be unable to include a number of different games in our hardware reviews. AMD’s problem with FRAPS is not its existence, what it does, or even how it does things. AMD’s problem with FRAPS comes down how it’s interpreted.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issues-driver-roadmap-fraps/4
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Thanks 2010rig thumb.gif
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AMD’s second problem then is that even when FRAPS is being used to measure frame intervals, due to the issues we’ve mentioned earlier it’s simply not an accurate representation of what the user is seeing. Not only can FRAPS sometimes encounter anomalies that don’t translate to the end of the rendering pipeline, but FRAPS is going to see stuttering that the user cannot. It’s this last bit that is of particular concern to AMD. If FRAPS is saying that AMD cards are having more stuttering – even if the user cannot see it – then are AMD cards worse?

To be clear here the goal is to minimize stuttering throughout, and in a bit we’ll see how AMD is doing that and why it was a problem for them in the first place. But AMD is concerned about FRAPS being used in this manner because it can present data that makes stuttering look worse than it is. And in what’s a very human reaction, people pay more attention to bad news than good news; bad data more than good data. Or more simply put, it’s very easy to look at the data FRAPS produces and to see a problem that does not exist. FRAPS doesn’t just lack a good view of the rendering pipeline, but FRAPS data alone doesn’t provide context to decide what data matters and what does not.


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While we’ve spent most of our discussion on tools discussing FRAPS and why both AMD and NVIDIA find it insufficient, there are other tools out there.

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post #104 of 542
next news is: "AMD regrets bad reviews with fraps after watching the FCAT results because they are even worse" lool

joking apart... fraps is a good tool to check the performance of the amd cards ... obviously it's not perfect but renders the whole idea
however fraps is not enough to show how it works nvidia's frame metering technology
example: http://techreport.com/review/24553/inside-the-second-with-nvidia-frame-capture-tools/9
680 & SLI looks irregular with fraps ... with fcat is perfectly smooth
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Thanks 2010rig thumb.gif

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You're welcome. thumb.gif
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. It can still be denied why are people so quick to believe these articles? We don't know if they edited the videos to favor.a brand. Who knows maybe they lied about what hardware they were using. Maybe we should just enjoy our $300+ GPUs and not complain. I mean when you bought them did you complain? Computers are made by people since people aren't perfect neither are computers.

I just don't understand how or why we have this special access to an article that doesn't exist (at lest not yet). Yet opinions run rampant on results not yet published. It's like the twilight zone.
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I bet the results are more similar than they anticipated, so they are deciding to revisit their 680 vs 7970 article.. rolleyes.gif
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post #108 of 542
This article isn't released yet but the other ones have been, and it is assumed that the results will be similar since it seems to be a Crossfire problem and not a specific card problem.
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I just don't understand how or why we have this special access to an article that doesn't exist (at lest not yet). Yet opinions run rampant on results not yet published. It's like the twilight zone.
If Rod Sterling were here he could explain this to us.
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If Rod Sterling were here he could explain this to us.
Funny thing is he would and I'd watch it biggrin.gif.
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