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I'll agree to that, I just want it to be definitively shown to be card neutral. smile.gif
 
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I'll agree to that, I just want it to be definitively shown to be card neutral. smile.gif

Even if it's 100% card neutral, it will never be recognized as such for the simple fact it was made by NVIDIA.
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Very possible. In the PCPer article they spoke of development of a similar tool by another entity. Maybe that would help, ya
 
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post #314 of 542
the feel of accomplished after getting back on track in this thread from page 20 biggrin.gif

many good points were made along those pages, and i think that the Anand article is almost a must as well before getting into this thread.
(and i do agree that there may be some hardware bias in fcat)


btw, i find it kind of funny that if i tell someone about this issue, the whole back story, the industries involved etc he would only ask:" Wait, all of this for computer games?"
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the feel of accomplished after getting back on track in this thread from page 20 biggrin.gif

many good points were made along those pages, and i think that the Anand article is almost a must as well before getting into this thread.
(and i do agree that there may be some hardware bias in fcat)


btw, i find it kind of funny that if i tell someone about this issue, the whole back story, the industries involved etc he would only ask:" Wait, all of this for computer games?"


From the anand article which I read a few days ago and needs to be a major part of this thread.
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Meanwhile, we’ve wanted to do an article like this for some time now; specifically a dissection of FRAPS so that we could better explain why we have not been using FRAPS for investigating stuttering. To our surprise, we found AMD repeating many of the positions we held, and more importantly they were offering up further facts and additional data that we didn’t have access to that would help support our own position. So despite whatever AMD’s intentions were, this worked out well for us.


And that is from anandtech which is said to be so extremely bias towards intel and nvidia that they are called fanboys by some enthusiasts..... FRAPS is worthless for investigating this stuff because of how it detects the frames.
 
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I can't quite figure out what your point is, but that's exactly why everyone is trying out FCAT - because FRAPS may be unreliable.
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I can't quite figure out what your point is, but that's exactly why everyone is trying out FCAT - because FRAPS may be unreliable.

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I can't quite figure out what your point is, but that's exactly why everyone is trying out FCAT - because FRAPS may be unreliable.

I think the point that I am trying to get across is these fraps tests that everyone has cited are fundamentally unsound and that a new system needs to be developed specifically for this kind of testing. I don't know enough about FCAT to tell you how good it is.

Don't get me wrong I use FRAPS to record videos for our game reviews. But I would never use it as a benchmarking or frame latency tool. One of the problems that needs to be addressed is... How can we detect frame rate latency and stutter without using so much system resources or video resources that it effects the test by causing said phenomenon.
 
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This entire discussion is about FCAT, which is a possible new tool to replace/supplement FRAPS. The results everyone is (or should be discussing) is the FCAT results from PCPer and TR, and possibly how they compare to FRAPS results (also a big issue).

That's why I was confused about your comment - it sounds like you are saying we should be discussing exactly what we are discussing. But I may just be misunderstanding you.
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This entire discussion is about FCAT, which is a possible new tool to replace/supplement FRAPS. The results everyone is (or should be discussing) is the FCAT results from PCPer and TR, and possibly how they compare to FRAPS results (also a big issue).

That's why I was confused about your comment - it sounds like you are saying we should be discussing exactly what we are discussing. But I may just be misunderstanding you.

ok , My apologies. Never underestimate the power of my idiocy =). That all aside. Isn't FCAT developed by Nvidia? I'd feel a lot more comfortable with results from a 3rd party tool not developed by AMD or Nvidia. Even if it really is not, in all truth, biased towards Nvidia products there is always the question that software developed by a hardware company will always favor their own hardware over the competition's hardware.
 
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