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I didn't have no problems with hitman at all. FC3 it just another story. It just one of the worst games I have try it on my pc.

Even on my single setups (I believe this is the 3rd time I say it), it stutters like hell.

On the A10-5700, even if it hovers 30FPS, it is almost unplayable due to the extreme stuttering. On the HD6950, it surpasses 50FPS yet it feels 30FPS because of the extreme framerate dips and inconsistencies.

It is the only game (besides Planetside2) I've ever played that does this.
   
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I finshed fc3 and hitman absolution on xfire 7950. My gameplay was smooth as silk, no crashed, no bsod, no vsync...Heck, I even finished TR3 three times, easy, normal and hardmode...you can tell I like it that much...it took a lot of tweaking to get it to work and that's the part I hate about amd drivers.........Crysis 3 and TR2013 are flawless on 13.3 beta 3 drivers and I just want to put that out there....

I have never complain about a game not running well on my xfire 7950...I definitely sense some noobness in some of you....biggrin.gif
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I'll agree to that, I just want it to be definitively shown to be card neutral. smile.gif

would coming from guru 3D be good enough?

An introduction to FCAT benchmarking
It will get even weirder as it also works vice versa, sometimes FRAPS records stuff that isn't visibly there on your monitor. To do frametime recordings right (the proper way) we need to take a more academic approach... not measure at Game engine level, but at the monitor output as that is the hotspot as to what you see on your screen. How can we accomplish that? Well, with a framegrabber and a complex software suite which we'll be showing and introducing today. It is called FCAT, short for Frame Capture Analysis Tool. It is a set of tools that derives from the NVIDIA performance laboratory. Now please don't throw objectivity and subjectivity concerns at us as yes, this methodology is coming from NVIDIA. Let me state upfront that pretty much all software and scripts can be read out as source code and the simple truth is that the FCAT benchmark method can't see the difference in-between AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards as we look at rendered frames, we are not measuring inside the graphics card(s).
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I finshed fc3 and hitman absolution on xfire 7950. My gameplay was smooth as silk, no crashed, no bsod, no vsync...Heck, I even finished TR3 three times, easy, normal and hardmode...you can tell I like it that much...it took a lot of tweaking to get it to work and that's the part I hate about amd drivers.........Crysis 3 and TR2013 are flawless on 13.3 beta 3 drivers and I just want to put that out there....

I have never complain about a game not running well on my xfire 7950...I definitely sense some noobness in some of you....biggrin.gif

So, let me get this right. You say that every game runs smooth as silk, then go on to say that it took alot of tweaking to get it to work right? Why should the end user (us) have to do tons of tweaking to make something work right? And then you sense noobness because some people see issues and you say you don't? Maybe they don't feel they should have to "tweak" using third party tools to get the best game experience.

It is funny how this article uses a tool to show the issues with AMD drivers, but the people that defend AMD so hard turn right around and say they have to use a tool (radeon pro) to keep stuttering in check. How does that make sense?

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would coming from guru 3D be good enough?

An introduction to FCAT benchmarking
It will get even weirder as it also works vice versa, sometimes FRAPS records stuff that isn't visibly there on your monitor. To do frametime recordings right (the proper way) we need to take a more academic approach... not measure at Game engine level, but at the monitor output as that is the hotspot as to what you see on your screen. How can we accomplish that? Well, with a framegrabber and a complex software suite which we'll be showing and introducing today. It is called FCAT, short for Frame Capture Analysis Tool. It is a set of tools that derives from the NVIDIA performance laboratory. Now please don't throw objectivity and subjectivity concerns at us as yes, this methodology is coming from NVIDIA. Let me state upfront that pretty much all software and scripts can be read out as source code and the simple truth is that the FCAT benchmark method can't see the difference in-between AMD and NVIDIA graphics cards as we look at rendered frames, we are not measuring inside the graphics card(s).

No, it will not be. Because it says that the tools were derived from Nvidia performance laboratory. Guru 3d was probably paid off by Nvidia to say that FCAT can't see the difference in-between AMD and Nvidia cards. rolleyes.gif
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So, let me get this right. You say that every game runs smooth as silk, then go on to say that it took alot of tweaking to get it to work right? Why should the end user (us) have to do tons of tweaking to make something work right? And then you sense noobness because some people see issues and you say you don't? Maybe they don't feel they should have to "tweak" using third party tools to get the best game experience.

It is funny how this article uses a tool to show the issues with AMD drivers, but the people that defend AMD so hard turn right around and say they have to use a tool (radeon pro) to keep stuttering in check. How does that make sense?
No, it will not be. Because it says that the tools were derived from Nvidia performance laboratory. Guru 3d was probably paid off by Nvidia to say that FCAT can't see the difference in-between AMD and Nvidia cards. rolleyes.gif

I don't use radeon pro either...I don't whine like a lot of people do...that's the difference and that my friend will get you somewhere....I know I did...thumb.gif
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No, it will not be. Because it says that the tools were derived from Nvidia performance laboratory. Guru 3d was probably paid off by Nvidia to say that FCAT can't see the difference in-between AMD and Nvidia cards. rolleyes.gif

no no no no now thats just silly!
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Considering FCAT primarily is an open project we feel it is a reliable benchmarking methodology. The fact that the ideas and initial software needed originates from NVIDIA doesn't mean it is a subjective methodology. Contrary, this can become one of the best benchmark methods we have ever tried, it is very time consuming though. From the get-go NVIDIA has been open and transparent about everything related to this testing method. Once the tagged frames arrive at the FCAT machine honestly, it can't see what graphics card is rendering the game, as such it creates an equal playing field for any brand or type of card you connect to it.

they obviously paid off the second, frame capture, machine . . less cost.
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Accurate or not, nVidia has gotten exactly what they wanted.

I have no interest in buying a second 7970 now...

I have heard nothing but negative feedback when someone asks "should i get a second 7xxx?". It's "sell it and upgrade to a single card" (mainly Titan), or "If you want multiple GPUs, go nVidia."

I don't care how many people have a smooth experience with crossfire, I will not drop $400+ on a card that "might" work, or one I have to tweak for hours on end to achieve an acceptable level of performance. Shame too... I like the quality of nVidia (most of the time), but every time I read a press release, or hear their reps speak, I vomit in my mouth a little. Also, keeps me from wanting to hand them my money.
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for those people that don't trust xfire...hang in there, who knows, maybe this upcoming memory manager feature will make a difference...good things happen to those people that wait....thumb.gif if not..you know what to do.
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for those people that don't trust xfire...hang in there, who knows, maybe this upcoming memory manager feature will make a difference...good things happen to those people that wait....thumb.gif if not..you know what to do.
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