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Hello, I am not really mouse technical and need help.
Basically my recent mouses were Razer Abyssus (absolute dog, had the same quality of those Microsoft mouses they use in school) and Razer Lachesis 5600 which was really good quality. However it's quality deteriorated really quick,

It really helped me when I was playing CS:S and Age of Empires 3 at high levels before I took a break, but now I am starting to play CS:GO and DotA2 competitively, along with SC2 and I need a quality mouse now that mine has become nearly unusable.

I've done a lot of Googling (was gonna say research but not sure how well I did) and basically it's just peoples opinions and experience that differs from each other, so I'm just going to ask it straight here. Is it normal for peripherals to have a low life span (less than a year) or is it just Razer products? Or is it just random and I'm unlucky? I do try to keep my equipment in top condition because I'm that type of guy, but I keep having problems with Razer (and their headset).

If it is Razer, can someone recommend me a quality mouse that is reliable?
Here are some key points
Claw / Palm grip
At least 9 programmable buttons
For CS:S and CS:GO I use 5600 DPI and 0.215 sens. On any other game and out of game I just stick with 800 DPI and the sens ingame is average I suppose.
I'm not sure how DPI affects the quality of a mouse, I just assumed max DPI and low sens would let me track each pixel more accurately.

I'm also wondering whether a hard mouse mat or cloth mouse mat affects your mouse, or is it just preference of how it feels?

Thank you.
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What mice have you enjoyed the ergonomics of?

Laser mice tend to like hard pads better, opticals don't really have much of a trend, but you should be able to get a good pad of either type for most any mouse.
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Hello, I am not really mouse technical and need help.

To get more technical you can read this guides:
The truthful mouse guide
An overview of mouse technology
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I'm not sure how DPI affects the quality of a mouse, I just assumed max DPI and low sens would let me track each pixel more accurately.

Using max dpi on mouse is a not a good idea, almost all mice track bad(jitter, lower perfect control speed) at max dpi, so you lose pixel precision, and unless you use raw input(which always adds noticeable input lag, especially in source engine games) you will have huge negative acceleration with that much dpi and sens that low in-game.
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I'm also wondering whether a hard mouse mat or cloth mouse mat affects your mouse, or is it just preference of how it feels?

Laser mice usually track worse or very bad on cloth pads. Only recent mice are somewhat fine.
Edited by Berserker1 - 3/31/13 at 8:11pm
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Is it normal for peripherals to have a low life span (less than a year) or is it just Razer products?

I've never used Razer products but my MX518 works like new after 2 1/2 years and others have used that mouse for much longer, as one example of better quality.
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What mice have you enjoyed the ergonomics of?
I'm not sure how to answer that question, I have average size hands and I just want a simple design such as the Razer Lachesis or Deathadder.
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Using max dpi on mouse is a not a good idea, almost all mice track bad(jitter, lower perfect control speed) at max dpi, so you lose pixel precision, and unless you use raw input(which always adds noticeable input lag, especially in source engine games) you will have huge negative acceleration with that much dpi and sens that low in-game.

I've never noticed jitters on my mouse until a couple of months after purchase. However it does so regardless of what DPI so I assumed it didn't matter.

You guys made a point of staying away from clothe pads, I just used my mouse on the hard wooden table for an hour and there was actually a drastic improvement, although it sounds as if it would probably cause a lot of damage without a mouse mat. I had a Razer Sphex before and it was actually terrible, the adhesive didn't work and I had to wet it underneath everytime. Unfortunately it's too late now that my mouse is now too damaged.

Thanks for the response and links guys.
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You guys made a point of staying away from clothe pads, I just used my mouse on the hard wooden table for an hour and there was actually a drastic improvement, although it sounds as if it would probably cause a lot of damage without a mouse mat. I had a Razer Sphex before and it was actually terrible, the adhesive didn't work and I had to wet it underneath everytime. Unfortunately it's too late now that my mouse is now too damaged.
I don't think anybody is recommending you to stay away from cloth pads. It's more about the feel of the pad that should matter to you, pick hard if you want absolute best glide or cloth if you want more friction. The point is that laser mice tend to be picky of the surface. I'd rather stay away from laser mice than cloth pads if you specifically don't want a hard pad.

You say you use palm/claw and I'd guess Deathadder would be better than Lachesis then. DA is generally recognized as a great palm mouse, so if you liked that one too why not just buy it? The build quality on the 2013 version should be good.

As for DPI, I've got the picture you should use the DPI that is closest to your actual sensitivity to avoid sensor problems
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I'm not sure how to answer that question, I have average size hands and I just want a simple design such as the Razer Lachesis or Deathadder.
I've never noticed jitters on my mouse until a couple of months after purchase. However it does so regardless of what DPI so I assumed it didn't matter.

Thanks for the response and links guys.
I want to make sure or at least have an idea that that whatever mouse I reccomend will fit your hand.
    
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Steelseries sensei and qck heavy. Adjust dpi to 1200 and set mouse sensitivity to 1 in-game, that will equate to the current settings you're using
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