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I'm helping a friend with a new system build and I haven't looked at the sub $150 CPU market in a long time. He was gonna build during the summer but his system died and needs to build sooner. He's on his laptop for now but I imagine he's not gonna like it and want a real gaming system. His original system: Phenom II X3 720, 4GB RAM, GTX260, 1 WD 640GB and 1 1TB WD Black, Win Vista rofl; built as of April 2009. He can play some of the newer games like Borderlands 2 but at really cutdown settings at 1080p =(

I imagine any budget system is easily 2x performance but I'm stuck on CPU choices. I see the i3-3220 and FX-6300 trade blows but I'm seeing "go with the i3" - but what if I'm streaming SC2 at the same time? I see limited info on streaming and found "just get a i5-3570k or i7-3770k" but I'm on a strict budget of 700-750 USD before adding Windows OS/Taxes/Shipping. What do I choose? I don't have access to a Microcenter anymore since the Santa Clara one closed down.

System focus will be gaming (Heroes of Newerth (HoN), SC2-expansion, maybe some future games) + streaming (planning on doing SC2 streaming mostly).

What I was looking at for parts (700-750 USD max before OS/Taxes/Shipping)

I3-3220 or FX-6300 with a rock solid motherboard
8GB RAM
GTX 650 Ti Boost (or GTX660 reg if budget allows)
1TB Black Drive
Some sort of 49.99 or 59.99 case (still deciding)
Corsair or Seasonic PSU.
post #2 of 11
An I3 is about $120, B75 Motherboard about $75, RAM about $50 about $250
6300 about $130, motherboard about $90, Ram $60+ about $260
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I would try to squeeze in an 8320 if he's going to be streaming. In regards to the options you listed though, the i3 would be better if it was only SC2 as it is pretty much just single-threaded. I think the biggest performance difference I have seen in i5/8350 benchmarks are in SC2, with the i5 crushing. However, the 8350 still gets over 60 fps, which should be the case with the 6300 too, so it makes that advantage somewhat null assuming he has a 60hz monitor.

The streaming aspect increases the value of the 6300 for him, afaik streaming software can bog down the Intel quad cores and they are heavily multi-threaded.

If it was me I would drop the video card and keep the old one, since hon/sc2 can run on pretty much any card. Just leave the video card for a future paycheck biggrin.gif. That'd give you more room in your budget to work in something like an 8320 and maybe a nicer case. My 2 cents.
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If your friend is going to stream AND play on the same PC then you should definitely go with the AMD FX-6300 for him. As for the motherboard I would recommend an AMD 990FX chipset motherboard because Vishera is not fully supported on all 970 chipsets. If you're still looking for some cheap cases I can personally recommend the NZXT Tempest 210. It's a pretty solid case for about $45. Back to the original question, I believe more cores will be better for streaming and gaming at the same time.
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Oh wow fast response! Good idea on trying to see if the video card can be salvaged. If it can be done it'll save him money now and he can upgrade later on this year.
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If your friend is going to stream AND play on the same PC then you should definitely go with the AMD FX-6300 for him. As for the motherboard I would recommend an AMD 990FX chipset motherboard because Vishera is not fully supported on all 970 chipsets. If you're still looking for some cheap cases I can personally recommend the NZXT Tempest 210. It's a pretty solid case for about $45. Back to the original question, I believe more cores will be better for streaming and gaming at the same time.

So I need a 990FX to ensure I wont run into problems using a Vishera CPU? My mobo choice was gonna be a MSI 970A-G43 or G46; I'm open to suggestions. Overclocking is a "slight possibility" since I have another friend is thinking of selling a Noctua HSF of sorts (some D14-something big) to him for rather cheap.
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Oh wow fast response! Good idea on trying to see if the video card can be salvaged. If it can be done it'll save him money now and he can upgrade later on this year.
So I need a 990FX to ensure I wont run into problems using a Vishera CPU? My mobo choice was gonna be a MSI 970A-G43 or G46; I'm open to suggestions. Overclocking is a "slight possibility" since I have another friend is thinking of selling a Noctua HSF of sorts (some D14-something big) to him for rather cheap.

If you want to get Vishera at any decent clock speed you'll need something with a bit more oomph then that, Make sure your board has plenty of VRMS, This is the single most important thing to look for when using an AMD cpu and overclocking

AMD cpus are great, And the 8320 is an asskicker, But with that asskicking it draws a metric ton of power when overclocked, So i'd like for 8+1/2 Vrms imo.


AS for everything else, An AMD 8320 or 6300 won't struggle with sc2 trust me on that, I've got one tongue.gif

AS for everything else, Get ram with tight timings and keep the current card.

Keep current OS aswell, Vista and 7 are VERY similar to eachother when patched up, The main differances are WDDM 1.0 vs 1.1 and Trim support (SSd's and arguably not needed most SSD's have onboard garbage collection)
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If you want to get Vishera at any decent clock speed you'll need something with a bit more oomph then that, Make sure your board has plenty of VRMS, This is the single most important thing to look for when using an AMD cpu and overclocking

AMD cpus are great, And the 8320 is an asskicker, But with that asskicking it draws a metric ton of power when overclocked, So i'd like for 8+1/2 Vrms imo.


AS for everything else, An AMD 8320 or 6300 won't struggle with sc2 trust me on that, I've got one tongue.gif

AS for everything else, Get ram with tight timings and keep the current card.

Keep current OS aswell, Vista and 7 are VERY similar to eachother when patched up, The main differances are WDDM 1.0 vs 1.1 and Trim support (SSd's and arguably not needed most SSD's have onboard garbage collection)

Glad to hear SC2 will not choke on that FX CPU. I wish finding non biased info was easier these days. Anyways, I'll keep what you said in mind; the overclocking idea is something nice but not the highest priority. If his budget will allow, would going straight to a 8320 or 8350 + 990FX board (at the cost of aftermarket HSF) be worth an option?

I just talked to him tonight and he'll survive on his laptop and wait 2 weeks to give me a better answer on budget limits. I figure I'll have a low cost system option ready just in case.
post #8 of 11
Based on what your friend is looking for, here is a good sample rig:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($119.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB Video Card ($175.38 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 400W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.97 @ Amazon)
Total: $736.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-01 03:25 EDT-0400)

Similar rig with an 8350 and no cooler. Could drop the ssd if youd like and save $100

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($119.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost 2GB Video Card ($175.38 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 210 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 400W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.97 @ Amazon)
Total: $776.27
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-04-01 03:35 EDT-0400)
Edited by LuckySe7ens - 4/1/13 at 12:35am
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Oh wow fast response! Good idea on trying to see if the video card can be salvaged. If it can be done it'll save him money now and he can upgrade later on this year.
So I need a 990FX to ensure I wont run into problems using a Vishera CPU? My mobo choice was gonna be a MSI 970A-G43 or G46; I'm open to suggestions. Overclocking is a "slight possibility" since I have another friend is thinking of selling a Noctua HSF of sorts (some D14-something big) to him for rather cheap.

MSI AM3 boards have become notorious for going up in flames when overclocking bulldozer chips. I would as a general rule stay away from them currently. There are some exceptions, but at this budget its best just to look at alternatives

These are your best budget options for 990fx chipset boards. The UD3 and EVO are arguably the better two choices.

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/biostar-motherboard-ta990fxe


http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-ga990fxaud3

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-m5a99xevor20

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-990fxextreme4
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post #10 of 11
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Thanks LuckySe7ens! The FX6300 @ Microcenter is in-store only and the nearest one would be 7 hrs away (RIP Santa Clara); Amazon has it for 129.99 so that's fine. I may just need to start looking up Amazon for parts as I noticed better pricing in general. I would use the recommendations through PC Part Picker but I'm trying to keep it withing 1-2 online vendors for the sake of simplicity and RMA procedure familiarity.

That 8350 setup tho is mighty tempting to recommend instead...
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