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Mobile GPU's will outpace consoles soon, but it will come from Qualcomm, not Nvidia.
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Originally Posted by GuilT1 View Post

Mobile GPU's will outpace consoles soon, but it will come from Qualcomm, not Nvidia.

Qualcomm isn't even close to matching xbox 360 performance with their mobile chips. The only mobile chips that have a possibility of being relevant for gaming are discrete chips like the 700M, 7970M, etc.

Understand that the Tegra 4 and Qualcomm chips are terrible for gaming. Qualcomm SD 800 is 80Gflops IIRC. The Tegra 4 is 96Gflops compared to xbox 360 240 Gflops. Playstation 4 is 1940 Gflops. Now Qualcomm is going to pass consoles? Yeah right rolleyes.gif Those chips are a joke. Just get that thought of using smartphones for gaming out of your head, unless you just want to play Bejeweled.

Smartphone chips aren't even close to matching the xbox 360, an 8 year old machine. Now, if you want to make an argument for the 700M, that would be a fair argument. But those cost JUST AS MUCH as PC discrete GPUs.
Edited by xoleras - 4/1/13 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

That is an awful graph for many reasons.

What is it even measuring performance by?
Why do PC graphics only go to 2009?
What does it define as PC graphics as?
post #14 of 171
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Qualcomm isn't even close to matching xbox 360 performance with their mobile chips. The only mobile chips that have a possibility of being relevant for gaming are discrete chips like the 700M, 7970M, etc.

Understand that the Tegra 4 and Qualcomm chips are terrible for gaming. Qualcomm SD 800 is 80Gflops IIRC. The Tegra 4 is 96Gflops compared to xbox 360 240 Gflops. Playstation 4 is 1940 Gflops. Now Qualcomm is going to pass consoles? Yeah right :rolleyes:Those chips are a joke. Just get that thought of using smartphones for gaming out of your head, unless you just want to play Bejeweled.

Additionally these chips use Pixel and Vertex shaders. That makes them 100% useless for any type of gaming.

Look up any of the better looking games on mobile devices, combined with the lesser need for high resolutions we're not that far away from getting very good looking games on mobile. The performance increases have also been pretty big so far between generations. This is why NV is talking about upcoming parts, not current ones.
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That is an awful graph for many reasons.

What is it even measuring performance by?
Why do PC graphics only go to 2009?
What does it define as PC graphics as?

Flops most likely

It's an old graph though iirc it was shown in 2011.

highest end NV GPUs.
 
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This isn't about laptops. Though even if it was, I can guarantee to you that there are more laptops than consoles out there.

Whoops! I slipped there. So, mobile=phones? Lol nVIDIA. That isn't happening anytime soon.

Gaming laptops more widespread than consoles? I fail to see that.
   
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Not really, this is them stating that net gen mobile chips will beat current gen console GPUs (PS3, 360).

They've been saying this for a while though:


Whatever man....you can defend them to kingdom come, but think about it. Since when was Nvidia stance against Consoles so strong?
Why do they point this out now? Why after they just lost 2 contracts for both next gen Consoles?

I would be probably thinking the same thing if AMD was doing this. Sorry man i dont care what anyone says, this is just bitterness to me. Nvidia desperately trying to sway people away from the next gen cause they're not involved. Now if they were involved do you believe they would be talking about probably "facts" like that? No........they would be trying to sell the consoles as the greatest thing ever no matter how crap they are.

Dont kid yourself, as the saying goes "Haterz gonna Hate" mellowsmiley.gif
    
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Qualcomm isn't even close to matching xbox 360 performance with their mobile chips. The only mobile chips that have a possibility of being relevant for gaming are discrete chips like the 700M, 7970M, etc.

Understand that the Tegra 4 and Qualcomm chips are terrible for gaming. Qualcomm SD 800 is 80Gflops IIRC. The Tegra 4 is 96Gflops compared to xbox 360 240 Gflops. Playstation 4 is 1940 Gflops. Now Qualcomm is going to pass consoles? Yeah right rolleyes.gif Those chips are a joke. Just get that thought of using smartphones for gaming out of your head, unless you just want to play Bejeweled.

Smartphone chips aren't even close to matching the xbox 360, an 8 year old machine. Now, if you want to make an argument for the 700M, that would be a fair argument. But those cost JUST AS MUCH as PC discrete GPUs.
Just look at how much faster mobile chipsets are getting year after year. Consoles will rock the same hardware for years, while the mobile sector gets faster and faster every year. It's going to happen real soon.

Edit: I'm not saying ti will happen with Tegra 4 or Snapdragon 800, but no one can deny that in just a few short years mobile chipsets have gotten exponentially faster. And will continue at a very rapid pace.
Edited by GuilT1 - 4/1/13 at 9:11am
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Whatever man....you can defend them to kingdom come, but think about it. Since when was Nvidia stance against Consoles so strong?
Why do they point this out now? Why after they just lost 2 contracts for both next gen Consoles?

This sums it all up. They never cared about consoles, until AMD secured contracts for all of them. Then "blaaaah consoles are crap, mobiles are better, there's no money in there", and other sorts of childish ranting.
   
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Just look at how much faster mobile chipsets are getting year after year. Consoles will rock the same hardware for years, while the mobile sector gets faster and faster every year. It's going to happen real soon.

Oh, okay. If you say so. Each generation of Smartphone chips adds 10-20 Gflops year over year, and it has been this way for a while. Now you're telling me a smartphone chip is going to outperform consoles when they're 1/3rd the power of the 8 year old xbox 360?

If you say so. biggrin.gif

Now you can make an argument for 700M and I would respect it. However, Tegra 4 and Qualcomm SD 800 are both junk and are about 1/3rd of the speed of xbox 360. So give me a break. Tegra 4 = 96 Gflops versus xbox 360 240 Gflops. Next year the next gen smartphone chips will have maybe 20 more Gflops. They will still be slower than xbox 360.

You should be arguing for the 700M/7970M. Those are good gaming chips. Smartphone chips are junk for AAA gaming. Period.
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Tegra will not out perform the consoles for a long time.... they don't have the sheer power, filtrate or memory bandwidth.
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