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How about everyone stops attacking the poster and attacking his/her argument instead. I argue for things I find reasonable, I'd love a reasonable counter argument.

Why would they not market their mobile stuff and more importantly what in the world does that mobile stuff that's for a different market have to do with next gen consoles? It's almost like saying AMD can't market APUs because they're butthurt about Titans doesn't make sense.

Here is the line of reasoning. Nvidia's comparisons are illogical because they take current console products (PS3 / Xbox 360) in the market which were designed on a 90nm process and compare it with a future 28nm mobile product coming in 2014. By that time the next gen consoles (ps4 and xbxox 720) would be available for comparison. Would it make any sense if somebody compared a 20nm HD 8970 (using speculation) with a 28nm Titan. if you still feel Nvidia is not butthurt you are in denial.
Edited by raghu78 - 4/1/13 at 10:35pm
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Man, you people check stocks lately?

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ:NVDA

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:AMD

One company is financially doing better than the other. Note I didn't say one company is better, one company just knows how to play the market better. In short, one company makes more profit. Shorter? Nvida is better than AMD. So if you think they are worried, scared, or in financial peril, go check who's doing better in the bank.

Further note, the company doing better is also not in a long term state of decline. So yeah, Nvidia might be a bit sour over the consoles. I doubt they lose sleep over it, they do extremely well and will continue to do so if trends show anything. I'm guessing AMD is going to not make nearly as much as they could on the next gen consoles. They NEED next gen consoles when you look at their financial status, where Nvidia could use it but honestly doesn't really care.
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Just stick 4 Tegra 4 in some type of quad sli an there you go. 384 Gflops.
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Just stick 4 Tegra 4 in some type of quad sli an there you go. 384 Gflops.

If I had sig space, that'd be it. I know you aren't serious, which makes it funnier. (To me) It reads off as the redneck understanding of electronics. =P
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Here is the line of reasoning. Nvidia's comparisons are illogical because they take current console products (PS3 / Xbox 360) in the market which were designed on a 90nm process and compare it with a future 28nm mobile product coming in 2014. By that time the next gen consoles (ps4 and xbxox 720) would be available for comparison. Would it make any sense if somebody compared a 20nm HD 8970 (using speculation) with a 28nm Titan. if you still feel Nvidia is not butthurt you are in denial.

Thing is, in the real world, new mobile devices are getting pushed out every day, but consoles only get updated once or twice a decade.

In reality, it doesn't matter if it's unfair to compare a new mobile gpu to a 7 year old console gpu, if said 7 year old console gpu is the best that the market currently offers.
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Thing is, in the real world, new mobile devices are getting pushed out every day, but consoles only get updated once or twice a decade.

In reality, it doesn't matter if it's unfair to compare a new mobile gpu to a 7 year old console gpu, if said 7 year old console gpu is the best that the market currently offers.

this is the source article

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

Nvidia is talking about Logan (Tegra 5) chip release in 2014. By this year end PS4 and Xbox 720 would be released making a comparison with them more appropriate. I can tell you for sure by the time Nvidia get a Tegra GPU to compete with the 1.84 TFLOPS PS4 GPU it would be the end of the PS4 generation and the end of this decade. biggrin.gif
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Here is the line of reasoning. Nvidia's comparisons are illogical because they take current console products (PS3 / Xbox 360) in the market which were designed on a 90nm process and compare it with a future 28nm mobile product coming in 2014. By that time the next gen consoles (ps4 and xbxox 720) would be available for comparison. Would it make any sense if somebody compared a 20nm HD 8970 (using speculation) with a 28nm Titan. if you still feel Nvidia is not butthurt you are in denial.

That would only make sense if normal home consoles and mobile devices were actually competitors to any meaningful degree. At least in my opinion. This is a bit like AMD saying that current APUs are matching the 8800GTX or something, they're not competitors but the other product is used as an example, it shows the progression and shows what modern APUs can actually do.

Current gen consoles aren't being used as "competition to beat" in this case but as a reference as to what the mobile hardware in a few years will be capable of. And I still fail to see the butthurt, next gen mobile isn't a competitor for current gen consoles, that much is obvious to anyone.
 
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I don't see phones and tablets being the preferred gaming platform, but I can see them replacing the 3DS and PSP.
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So Fudzilla takes this story from bit-tech.net and changes the headline so it brings out the Nvidia haters and gets them more page hits.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

Nvidia is comparing their current stuff to 8 year old technology and Nvidia was part of PS3. It has nothing to do with next generation consoles. The original article says nothing about ps4 and Durango, nothing. Any mention of them was by Fudzilla.

Tegra 3 could do 12 gflops. Tegra 4 can do 80 gflops. How is it not feasible that Tegra 5 will surpass the 200 gflops of the old consoles assuming the jump in power stays close to this generation?

Why is it anybody who triesd to be the voice of reason during all these Nvidia bashing threads gets attacked personally? Alatar always bring up good points but when nobody has a realistic answer to his question then he's labeled as Nvidia biased.
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So Fudzilla takes this story from bit-tech.net and changes the headline so it brings out the Nvidia haters and gets them more page hits.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

Nvidia is comparing their current stuff to 8 year old technology and Nvidia was part of PS3. It has nothing to do with next generation consoles. The original article says nothing about ps4 and Durango, nothing. Any mention of them was by Fudzilla.

Tegra 3 could do 12 gflops. Tegra 4 can do 80 gflops. How is it not feasible that Tegra 5 will surpass the 200 gflops of the old consoles assuming the jump in power stays close to this generation?

Why is it anybody who triesd to be the voice of reason during all these Nvidia bashing threads gets attacked personally? Alatar always bring up good points but when nobody has a realistic answer to his question then he's labeled as Nvidia biased.

this is what the nvidia guy states

"The PS3 and Xbox 360 are barely more powerful than mobile devices... The next click of mobile phones will outperform them"

Tegra 3 is 12 GFLOPS and Tegra 4 ,which is not yet available for buying, is 80 GFLOPS. if your current shipping product (Tegra 3) is 6% and your soon to be shipping product (Tegra 4) is 40% the performance of the PS3 / Xbox 360 how do you call the PS3 / Xbox 360 barely faster. when the performance difference is less than 10% you can say barely faster, not when its 2.5x (Tegra 4) or 16.5x (Tegra 3) . that statement right there should tell you that Nvidia PR is talking rubbish.

also the jump from Tegra 3 to Tegra 4 included a process node shrink from TSMC 40nm to TSMC 28nm high k. Logan (Tegra 5) should be on 28nm. at the same node even considering the move to a unified shader model a doubling of performance is very difficult at the same TDP. all this has to happen when increasing functionality with full suport for dx11 and opengl 4.3. 192 kepler cuda cores at 500 mhz would have a performance of 192 x 500 Mhz x 2 = 192 GFlops. fitting this into a 5W SOC with 4+1 ARM A15 cores is not easy. Nvidia has a history of overpromising and underdelivering in the mobile space especially in terms of perf within a power budget.

By the time Tegra 5 (Logan) ships in mid 2014 the next gen consoles would have been in the market for 6 months. So why is Nvidia even comparing a future 28nm product with a current gen console which is going to be replaced by its successor in 6 months.
Edited by raghu78 - 4/2/13 at 4:44am
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