Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [fudzilla] Nvidia believes mobile GPUs will outpace consoles soon
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[fudzilla] Nvidia believes mobile GPUs will outpace consoles soon - Page 17

post #161 of 171
Quote:
Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

You are showing an old chart from a picture of a monitor.


Why don't you check at this one.

Please read correctly the scale in vertical Axis. The last bracket is from 1,000 to 32,000 Thats why it seems there is no huge difference between PC and console but there is a Huge one.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

what are you trying to prove? I said in my post next to the picture that it was from april 2012

So this is just business as usual for NVIDIA, not a slant at AMD.

is that "no huge difference between PC and console" statement to me? I don't care about that. i'm talking about Nvidia's mobile chips catching up to consoles (PS3/360) I know PC hardware crushes consoles...
Main Rig
(13 items)
 
Secondary Rig
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k MSI Z77A-GD65 Gigabyte 780 OC Gigabyte 780 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Ripjaw  Samsung F3  Samsung 830  Asus CD-Rom 
CoolingMonitorMonitorPower
Cooler master hyper 212+  Asus  27in 1440p Auria EQ276W 760 Watt Silencer 
Case
Haf 912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 290 XFX DD R9 280X Gigabyte 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R9 280X MSI Gaming R9 280X Power Cooler Crucial Ballistix  Samsung 830 series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Black Asus 24x Windows 7 Asus 24in  
MonitorPowerCase
27in 1440p Auria CM 750 600T 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(13 items)
 
Secondary Rig
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k MSI Z77A-GD65 Gigabyte 780 OC Gigabyte 780 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Ripjaw  Samsung F3  Samsung 830  Asus CD-Rom 
CoolingMonitorMonitorPower
Cooler master hyper 212+  Asus  27in 1440p Auria EQ276W 760 Watt Silencer 
Case
Haf 912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 290 XFX DD R9 280X Gigabyte 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R9 280X MSI Gaming R9 280X Power Cooler Crucial Ballistix  Samsung 830 series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Black Asus 24x Windows 7 Asus 24in  
MonitorPowerCase
27in 1440p Auria CM 750 600T 
  hide details  
Reply
post #162 of 171
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Why did AMD fanboys come in here and turn this into a AMD vs NVIDIA thread?

You all just see it with fanboy googles as some sort of cut against AMD because of the next gen consoles....

This has nothing to do with the next gen. They're simply giving us a metric that we can relate to. Saying your phone is capable of 150 gigaflops means nothing. Saying you can play Halo 4 is something that the consumers can resonate with.

That's it. That's what the discussion is about.

this is the main source from which fudzilla wrote

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

"The PS3 and Xbox 360 are barely more powerful than mobile devices... The next click of mobile phones will outperform [them]"

http://www.overclock.net/t/1377494/fudzilla-nvidia-believes-mobile-gpus-will-outpace-consoles-soon/100#post_19658582

the upcoming 28nm AMD A6 1450 Temash quad core SOC has 128 GCN cores at 300 mhz. 128 x 2 x 300= 76.8 GFLOPS. Nvidia's Tegra 5 (Logan) is also a 28nm product. Unless Nvidia can demonstrate final silicon running at 200 GFLOPS performance in a 5w SOC manufactured on a 28nm process I am calling this a bluff from nVIDIA.
Edited by raghu78 - 4/2/13 at 11:29am
Fragbox
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i5 2400 DH67BL AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series XFX HD 6950 2GB 
RAMRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Western Digital Caviar Green SONY DVD-RW AD-7260S 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 32 bit BENQ G2420HD Logitech K200 Seasonic VX550 psu 
CaseMouse
ANTEC 200 V2 Logitech mouse 
  hide details  
Reply
Fragbox
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i5 2400 DH67BL AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series XFX HD 6950 2GB 
RAMRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Western Digital Caviar Green SONY DVD-RW AD-7260S 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 32 bit BENQ G2420HD Logitech K200 Seasonic VX550 psu 
CaseMouse
ANTEC 200 V2 Logitech mouse 
  hide details  
Reply
post #163 of 171
Quote:
Originally Posted by raghu78 View Post

this is the main source from which fudzilla wrote

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

"The PS3 and Xbox 360 are barely more powerful than mobile devices... The next click of mobile phones will outperform [them]"

http://www.overclock.net/t/1377494/fudzilla-nvidia-believes-mobile-gpus-will-outpace-consoles-soon/100#post_19658582

the upcoming 28nm AMD A6 1450 Temash quad core SOC has 128 GCN cores at 300 mhz. 128 x 2 x 300= 76.8 GFLOPS. Nvidia's Tegra 5 (Logan) is also a 28nm product. Unless Nvidia can demonstrate final silicon running at 200 GFLOPS performance in a 5w SOC manufactured on a 28nm process I am calling this a bluff from nVIDIA.

Nothing wrong with what they said. Not a lot of focus has been in the graphics quality of mobile handsets until recently. A lot of focus has been on the CPU, and look at the extremely rapid changes happening there. Every new CPU iteration seems to add a new core or up the performance by 75%. Now with NVIDIA focusing on the GPU, why shouldn't we expect the same boost? Tegra 4 makes Tegra 3 look like garbage, Tegra 3 makes Tegra 2 look like garbage. Why wouldn't the Tegra 5 do the same? And what does this have to do with Temash? Isn't that Temash an x86 CPU?

From Anandtech when Tegra 3 was coming out
Quote:
Per core performance has improved a bit. NVIDIA worked on timing of critical paths through the GPU's execution units to help it run at higher clock speeds. NVIDIA wouldn't confirm the target clock for Tegra 3's GPU other than to say it was higher than Tegra 2's 300MHz. Peak floating point throughput per core is unchanged (one MAD per clock), but each core should be more efficient thanks to larger caches in the design.

A combination of these improvements as well as newer drivers are what give Tegra 3's GPU its 2x - 3x performance advantage over Tegra 2 despite only a 50% increase in overall execution resources. In pixel shader bound scenarios, there's an effective doubling of execution horsepower so the 2x gains are more believable there.

I'd expect them to have many more advancements to come.
Edited by lacrossewacker - 4/2/13 at 11:39am
Main Rig
(13 items)
 
Secondary Rig
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k MSI Z77A-GD65 Gigabyte 780 OC Gigabyte 780 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Ripjaw  Samsung F3  Samsung 830  Asus CD-Rom 
CoolingMonitorMonitorPower
Cooler master hyper 212+  Asus  27in 1440p Auria EQ276W 760 Watt Silencer 
Case
Haf 912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 290 XFX DD R9 280X Gigabyte 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R9 280X MSI Gaming R9 280X Power Cooler Crucial Ballistix  Samsung 830 series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Black Asus 24x Windows 7 Asus 24in  
MonitorPowerCase
27in 1440p Auria CM 750 600T 
  hide details  
Reply
Main Rig
(13 items)
 
Secondary Rig
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k MSI Z77A-GD65 Gigabyte 780 OC Gigabyte 780 OC 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
Ripjaw  Samsung F3  Samsung 830  Asus CD-Rom 
CoolingMonitorMonitorPower
Cooler master hyper 212+  Asus  27in 1440p Auria EQ276W 760 Watt Silencer 
Case
Haf 912 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3770k ASRock Z77 Pro4-M 290 XFX DD R9 280X Gigabyte 
GraphicsGraphicsRAMHard Drive
R9 280X MSI Gaming R9 280X Power Cooler Crucial Ballistix  Samsung 830 series 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD Black Asus 24x Windows 7 Asus 24in  
MonitorPowerCase
27in 1440p Auria CM 750 600T 
  hide details  
Reply
post #164 of 171
Quote:
Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Nothing wrong with what they said. Not a lot of focus has been in the graphics quality of mobile handsets until recently. A lot of focus has been on the CPU, and look at the extremely rapid changes happening there. Every new CPU iteration seems to add a new core or up the performance by 75%. Now with NVIDIA focusing on the GPU, why shouldn't we expect the same boost? Tegra 4 makes Tegra 3 look like garbage, Tegra 3 makes Tegra 2 look like garbage. Why wouldn't the Tegra 5 do the same? And what does this have to do with Temash? Isn't that Temash an x86 CPU?
I'd expect them to have many more advancements to come.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Tegra_4

Tegra 4 GPU seems to have 96 GFLOPS performance. it uses separate vertex and pixel shaders. Logan (Tegra 5) brings a unified shader model with CUDA, Directx 11 and OpenGL 4.3 feature support. On the same 28nm process within the same TDP Nvidia is telling they can double GPU performance while increasing functionality massively with a unified shader model and supporting the latest APIs. take that with a huge dose of salt. Typical PR speak.

I mentioned Temash quad core SOC because its also in a similar power range of around 6W. the 4 Jaguar cores run at 1 Ghz. the 128 GCN cores run at 300 mhz and provide 76.8 GFLOPS performance. Nvidia saying they can deliver 200 GFLOPS with similar feature set and TDP on the same process is looking too optimistic.
Fragbox
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i5 2400 DH67BL AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series XFX HD 6950 2GB 
RAMRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Western Digital Caviar Green SONY DVD-RW AD-7260S 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 32 bit BENQ G2420HD Logitech K200 Seasonic VX550 psu 
CaseMouse
ANTEC 200 V2 Logitech mouse 
  hide details  
Reply
Fragbox
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i5 2400 DH67BL AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series XFX HD 6950 2GB 
RAMRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
Corsair Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Corsair DDR3 1333 Mhz 2 GB Western Digital Caviar Green SONY DVD-RW AD-7260S 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Professional 32 bit BENQ G2420HD Logitech K200 Seasonic VX550 psu 
CaseMouse
ANTEC 200 V2 Logitech mouse 
  hide details  
Reply
post #165 of 171
There are Temash APU's that are when docked can be automatically overclocked thanks to cooling system that connects to the tablet and an battery inside the dock is another power source. I am not really sure, but if its correct then we have a beast ladies and gentlemen.
post #166 of 171
Thread Starter 
post #167 of 171
you mean something designed in 2012 is faster than something designed in 2004??

im calling Ripley's
Gaming Rig
(15 items)
 
Sons Rig
(11 items)
 
File Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD Ryzen 1700x ASUS Prime X370 Pro Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
16gb's Team Select 3200Mhz RGB  Crucial M500 SSD 240gb Corsair H55 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorMonitorPowerCase
ASUS PB287Q 4K Monitor HTC Vive Coolermaster Silent Pro M 1000W Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Deathadder 2013 Steelseries Qck Mass Super Thick Cloth Mouse Pad Genius SW-G2.1 1250 4PC Gaming Speakers 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i7 3770k Asus P8Z68 Deluxe Galaxy Geforce GTX 780 Galaxy Geforce GTX 780 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
16 Gb's G.Skill DDR3 1866 Crucial M500 SSD 240Gb Coolit ECO C240 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorPowerCase
Benq G2420HD Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000 Watt Deepcool Kendomen 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Core i3 2120 Supermicro X9SCM-F 4 Gb Kingston 1600mhz DDR3 ECC 12 Segate 2tb drives (RAID 6) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
ADATA SP600 SSD 24 Toshiba DT01ACA200 drives (2 RAID 6's) Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit. OCZ ZT750 Supermicro PWS-665-PQ 
CaseOtherOtherOther
Norco 4020 and Norco 4224 LSI 9260-4i Raid Card Intel RES2SV240 20 port Expander. HP SAS 24 por... Voltaire 410Ex Hca Infiniband HBA 
  hide details  
Reply
Gaming Rig
(15 items)
 
Sons Rig
(11 items)
 
File Server
(13 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
AMD Ryzen 1700x ASUS Prime X370 Pro Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 Gigabyte GeForce GTX 980 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
16gb's Team Select 3200Mhz RGB  Crucial M500 SSD 240gb Corsair H55 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorMonitorPowerCase
ASUS PB287Q 4K Monitor HTC Vive Coolermaster Silent Pro M 1000W Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Deathadder 2013 Steelseries Qck Mass Super Thick Cloth Mouse Pad Genius SW-G2.1 1250 4PC Gaming Speakers 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Core i7 3770k Asus P8Z68 Deluxe Galaxy Geforce GTX 780 Galaxy Geforce GTX 780 
RAMHard DriveCoolingOS
16 Gb's G.Skill DDR3 1866 Crucial M500 SSD 240Gb Coolit ECO C240 Windows 7 Ultimate 
MonitorPowerCase
Benq G2420HD Coolermaster Silent Pro 1000 Watt Deepcool Kendomen 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Core i3 2120 Supermicro X9SCM-F 4 Gb Kingston 1600mhz DDR3 ECC 12 Segate 2tb drives (RAID 6) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
ADATA SP600 SSD 24 Toshiba DT01ACA200 drives (2 RAID 6's) Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit. OCZ ZT750 Supermicro PWS-665-PQ 
CaseOtherOtherOther
Norco 4020 and Norco 4224 LSI 9260-4i Raid Card Intel RES2SV240 20 port Expander. HP SAS 24 por... Voltaire 410Ex Hca Infiniband HBA 
  hide details  
Reply
post #168 of 171
Quote:

I highly doubt they would jump from 200Gflops to near 1800Gfops. However, I am also sure we will see the Tegra 6 before 2016. My bet would be that the Tegra 7 would be out by then and would probably be pushing a 1000Gflops...just a guess though as I haven't seen any road maps released or leaked. As for the performance, I am sure they will hit a wall somewhere. Be it thermal/power usage or lithographic...it is just a question of where and when the wall comes.

Though the real question is...are games actually going to start making use of the power? It makes no different if you have 1800 or a 1000 Gflops of raw computational power if the game only needs 1000 to be maxed out. That is what I am waiting for. With a console refresh games might actually start to push hardware again. I'd actually be happy to see my 2600K and GTX580 choke on a new game at a 1080x1200 resolution and 4xAA. I hope game developers really start making use of the new console hardware.
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
2600K @ 4.7GHz Asus P8P67 B3 GTX 580 EVGA Hydro Copper 2 GTX 580 EVGA  
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws bunch of 'em Blu-Ray For movies Windows 8.1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
24.4" Hans G HH251 X2 Yamakasi DS270  Blah 1000watt Super Flower 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Built into Desk Microsoft SideWinder X8 Comfy one... Creative Extreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
2600K @ 4.7GHz Asus P8P67 B3 GTX 580 EVGA Hydro Copper 2 GTX 580 EVGA  
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveOS
4x4GB G.Skill Ripjaws bunch of 'em Blu-Ray For movies Windows 8.1 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
24.4" Hans G HH251 X2 Yamakasi DS270  Blah 1000watt Super Flower 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Built into Desk Microsoft SideWinder X8 Comfy one... Creative Extreme Gamer 
  hide details  
Reply
post #169 of 171
Quote:
According to NVIDIA, the upcoming Tegra 5 will be able to “outperform” the likes of the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360. This comes by way of senior vice president of content and technology Tony Tamsai. The gaming performance is certainly improving, as evidenced by Tegra 4 and Project SHIELD. But can we put this in more quantitative terms?

Well, if you take the current PlayStation 3, you’ll find that it is rated at 200 GFLOPS. By comparison, the Tegra 3 is just 12 GFLOPS. However, the Tegra 4 is said to bring a seven-fold increase to that, increasing performance to about 80 FLOPS. With the Tegra 5 improving on that even further, it’s not that far-fetched to see it break the 200 GFLOPS threshold.

I pretty much think this could happen, you have to remember that PS3 was released in 2006 so yes it is very plausible that mobile reach it by the end of the year.

Quote:
That being said, by the time it’s ready, the PS4 will likely already be out and that’s being rated at 1800 GFLOPS, still putting the mobile chip behind. If we assume the evolution keeps up its current pace, though, a Tegra 6 could be comparable to what we see in the PS4, possibly some time in 2016 or so.

But Thinking Tegra 6 would surpass the PS4 in 2016 is a little bit too much optimistic considering the size of the Phones. Maybe tablets but not phones, they are too small.



Edited by KaRLiToS - 4/3/13 at 12:38pm
Quad Damage
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
  hide details  
Reply
Quad Damage
(24 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
  hide details  
Reply
post #170 of 171
This thread is making me fear for humanity, I don't understand how anyone's and I mean anyone's train of thought can go from mobile chips beating last gen consoles(Which EVERY ARM chip manufacturer likely will be doing in the next year or two.) Too nvidia being butthurt about console contracts when their presentation made no mention what so ever about AMD or next gen consoles aside from showing the jump in the graph for next gen consoles which mobile doesn't match. I mean come on, there are even people in here trying to claim generations go up by a static amount of GFlops, have you people not been following you know, every single tech sector ever? It's always exponential for quite some time which we are still clearing seeing from ARM.
3930k
(20 items)
 
  
Reply
3930k
(20 items)
 
  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Hardware News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Hardware News › [fudzilla] Nvidia believes mobile GPUs will outpace consoles soon