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Originally Posted by Gnomepatrol View Post

Nvidia upset about not getting a gpu into one of the next gen consoles me thinks.

I think you are right. Since all the recent news about next gen consoles, it looks like Nvidia are always trying to defend themselves and trying to devert the attention away from next consoles success.
Edited by KaRLiToS - 4/1/13 at 10:00pm
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post #92 of 171
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Originally Posted by CyberWolf575 View Post

Honestly in every thread you defend NV like you work for them.

Get over yourself, be realistic. They lost out on the consoles, and are now pushing their mobile department forward.
As to their chips outperforming consoles in gaming, not any time soon.

I 'defend' them when it makes sense, please do find a post without a well reasoned train of thought behind it that I posted.

I just don't get this counter argument people have... Some people in this thread are saying that NV is talking about the generation of consoles that actually also has Nvidia parts, they didn't even mention next gen ones, they've been talking about this for a while and so on.

And the reply we get is "No, they lost the next gen consoles, they're butthurt, deal with it"

I would love to know the reasoning behind these comments because to me they make absolutely no sense in this situation. Sure them calling the PS4 a low end PC was somewhat of a jab while also being somewhat correct but this comment has nothing to do with the next gen.

It's like AMD talking about their mobile chips now/in the future being able to run some demo on an old version of Havok as well as their 7 year old chips and people calling them butthurt because Nvidia has PhysX. These things are not related in any meaningful sense in this context, neither are current and next gen consoles.

Also as has been stated in this thread before mobile hardware catching up to current consoles isn't far fetched at all within a few generations.
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Originally Posted by mega_option101 View Post

Main concern though - battery life... I constantly need to carry my charger along with me lol

Very much so yeah, fortunately we should still have quite a few die shrinks to look forward to before the litographic processes get too tricky to handle.
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Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

I think you are right. Since all the recent news about next gen consoles, it looks like Nvidia are always trying to defend themselves and trying to devert the attention away from next consoles success.
doh.gif Do you always believe what Nvidia is singing.

Comparing their own mobile chips to a console gen where 50% of the GPUs were Nvidia has exactly what to do with next gen consoles?

Your statement makes no sense in this case and you know it, it doesn't also take long to see that what NV is saying this time is somewhat accurate, should I for some reason disagree with them on principle?
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By the way, your Graph is Out of date. Maybe you can use this one.


Source?
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post #93 of 171
Alatar, its kind of true, honestly. Get over it.

Sure they don't talk about next gen consoles, they are not part of it and they try to devert the attention away from this subject.

They are king in marketing BS.

Up-to-date graph biggrin.gif




What was your source? Nvidia? Yeah, the king of marketing BS?
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The thing is that I would like more of an explanation as to why this is the case than the age old "you're wrong, get over it".

Please do enlighten everyone why them comparing their mobile chips to consoles that have chips made by them is a butthurt comment about next gen consoles. You're going to need some quite quirky reasoning to make the jump to that conclusion.

Have I said they haven't ever tried to play down the next gen consoles, no, and they have but this comment has nothing to do with the next gen.
 
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Like I said, no they don't talk about next gen consoles because they are not part of it.
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Nvidia believes next generation mobile graphics processors will have more horsepower than GPUs used in the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

So they believe?


And by the way, in the graph I posted, their mobile chips actually outpace PS3 and Xbox 360.
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post #96 of 171
So you agree that this has nothing to do with next gen consoles (despite just stating that they are trying to defend themselves due to next gen console deals) but disagree with what they're saying despite their hardware development history backing up what the graphs are saying?

Of course predictions are predictions but this time they're reasonable.
 
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So you agree that this has nothing to do with next gen consoles but disagree with what they're saying despite their hardware development history backing up what the graphs are saying?

Of course predictions are predictions but this time they're reasonable.

I never said I disagree with it. Even that I think it's very plausible.

What I disagree is their marketing about mobile chips when next gen consoles is just around the corner. They just can't accept that the competition will be in all next consoles.
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The thing is that I would like more of an explanation as to why this is the case than the age old "you're wrong, get over it".

Please do enlighten everyone why them comparing their mobile chips to consoles that have chips made by them is a butthurt comment about next gen consoles. You're going to need some quite quirky reasoning to make the jump to that conclusion.

Have I said they haven't ever tried to play down the next gen consoles, no, and they have but this comment has nothing to do with the next gen.

Nvidia should compare currently available mobile chips with current gen consoles. In this case Tegra 3 and Tegra 4. In fact Tegra 4 tablets are yet to ship and will be available only in late q2 or q3. the current gen consoles are definitely showing their age and are an easy target. If Tegra 4 were to be compared with PS4 which will be available just a quarter later in q4 2013, it would be a joke. Anybody can say a hypothetical Volta mid range GPU (say a GV104) will double the Titan (GK110) performance at lesser power than Titan. But that means nothing at all since that would be 2 manufacturing nodes and 3 years away. We live in the present. Nvidia PR is seriously in damage control mode trying to play down the loss of next gen consoles. Developers have clearly stated that the next gen consoles (especially PS4 since its been revealed) is what they have been asking all along. If Nvidia wants to talk about Logan (Tegra 5) which will have Kepler unified shader GPU they should compare it with PS4. Even then the PS4 GPU would be in a different class altogether. A mobile tablet chip with a 5w TDP cannot compete with PS4 GPU during the lifetime of the PS4. Nvidia should stop making moronic statements.
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How about everyone stops attacking the poster and attacking his/her argument instead. I argue for things I find reasonable, I'd love a reasonable counter argument.

Why would they not market their mobile stuff and more importantly what in the world does that mobile stuff that's for a different market have to do with next gen consoles? It's almost like saying AMD can't market APUs because they're butthurt about Titans doesn't make sense.
 
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[250GB 840EVO +2x SpinpointF3 1TB RAID0] [LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change] [XSPC X2O 750 pump/res] [Monsta 360 full copper + EK XT 360 + XT 240] 
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[Crossover 27Q LED-P 1440p+ASUS 1200p+LG 1080p] [Corsair AX1200] [Dimastech Easy v3.0] [Sennheiser HD558s] 
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FX 8320, FX 8350, Phenom II x2 555BE i7 3930K, i7 860, i7 4770K, 68x Celeron D CVF, commando, 2x RIVE, Z87X-OC Asus 4870x2, Sapphire 4870 
GraphicsGraphicsGraphicsGraphics
2x 5870, 5850, 5830, 5770 2x 3870x2, 3870 GTX Titan, GTX 480, GTX 590 GTX 285, GTX 260, 4x 9800GT, 8800GTX 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
4x4GB vengeance, 2x4GB predatorX, 2x1GB OCZ DDR2 Intel X25-M 80GB LD PC-V2 SS Phase Change OCN Marksman 
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2x old tek slims (GPU) Various watercooling stuff win7, winxp AX1200 
Case
test bench / cardboard box 
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Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
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Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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