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Ok so last month my friend argued that Prime 95 is useless and that it isn't necessary to ever use it. It really upsets me because I've always used it to test the stability of any overclock I've ever done. It's just starting to get on my nerves because he insists on bringing up every once and a while and is now backing up his opinions according to what AnandTech said on twitter: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/318656282271817728 . He argues that real world stability tests are much more efficient than software. I found that either one works. I feel like the more he brings it up that it's like argueing with someone on ar-15.com about which guns better. An AR-15 or an AK-47. Both show to be better and more efficient in other areas and some areas remain the same. Since we really pushed each others opinions i'd like to see others and possibly his here if he decides o register.
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Prime95 is very slow at finding errors. I don't use it because I don't have the patience to wait for it to detect a single error after 12 or 24 hours of testing.
Intel Burn Test is a fast and dirty way at detecting instability. Most of the time if my OCs pass IBT they can pass everything else.
Sure Prime95 can probably detect instability holes IBT can't detect (or vise versa) but I prefer finding my stable OCs using practical ways, 50 loops of IBT, CPU bound games, video encodings ... etc.
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i've always gotten my stable oc's from 10 runs of ibt, 1hour of occt, and a few benchmarks, cinebench, 3dmark, hyper pi.

takes about 2 hours to run all of them and if it passes all i never have an issue afterwards.
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Yeah it's been a long time since I've used it since I find no need to overclock my 2500k. I'm pretty much reading the same things you're pretty much stated on: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/276594-28-people-prime95 In some cases people get false negatives in prime95 as opposed to running IBT tests. I just can't get over how much hes argueing about it. I argue about heat tests and it seems as though he thinks its not necessary because a processor is nothing more that "digital". I feel like saying are you kidding me..
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10 hours of prime95 blend is the way to go. If you pass that you should be golden. 10 hours is the time it takes for all passes on the 15 minute interval. It's silly to say that you don't need to use a stress testing program. People have favorites like a linpack test, p95, etc... but you need to run something (whether one or multiple of your preference) to gauge for stability.

If you like to potentially crash at any point and lose data because of it, then sure there is no need to run stress tests. 95% of real world software usage is not going to determine stability one way or another, and you need synthetic tests to push it to the limit to see if it can handle it. Obviously it does stress the CPU more but it's not going to cause any degradation unless you're pushing the voltage insanely high.
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Originally Posted by Solarcaine View Post

Yeah it's been a long time since I've used it since I find no need to overclock my 2500k.

Why not undervolt it then? wink.gif
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OP, when you run for stability, it really comes down to what you need and want to achieve with your overclock. I find Prime to be extremely helpful, especially when it comes to identifying the source of the problem. And someone should tell Ian ( in your link), that NO SYSTEM is 100% stable. IBT,OCCT,Prime 95,you name it,will always be helpful,even at stock. These programs are designed to find hardware issues. According to this guy, things that stress the CPU are harmful. So, For God's Sake, stop Folding as well! And Encoding,and rendering. Stresses the CPU,and it will die after 10 years of use... And stop using Memtest,stresses the RAM... The fact that it detects defective modules is irrelevant...
Sidenote. As the above members stated, when they pass these "Unreal" stress tests, then they are SURE that their PC wont let them down, nomatter what they throw at it. That should be answer enough
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post #7 of 43
I find Prime95 very good for testing my machine stability and ever since I began OCing I have used blend with 90% ram and if it passes 8-12hrs run there has never been any problems after no matter what use the machine for.

Since I got my IB the other day I tried another method for testing stability out of curiosity deciding to give IBT a go. After doing a quick OC and testing with 20mins prime before upping the clock and only moving to next step of OC if no errors were logged I eventually ended up at 4.9 @1.408 before heat issue stopped me.

IBT set for 50 passes - result of no errors, great began using machine as I would normally. Gaming and benching were all fine, no errors so far so good. Time for encoding test, nothing but crashes and WHEA errors so I upped the voltage in the attempt to pass the encode, which eventually got to 1.432 before passing. After this I decided to try Prime, 4 hrs before crash so voltage increased yet again until 1.464 would pass for 8-12hrs.

From my experience I prefer prime for testing stability as you can see from my findings @4.9, IBT stable@1.408v is a lot less than the prime stable @1.464v and therefore I will stick to my original method of testing.
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P95 and IBT with CPU-Z and Core Temp are the 4 main programs most will use while testing a overclock. They work great, up to your if you wanna know if your fully stable or not.
If your PC can't pass p95 after 24hr, then you should really rethink your overclock. P95 64bit with most of your ram being used
For IBT 20-50 passes it more then enough, just make sure you max the memory out on that as well.

Though people who worry that p95 or IBT who think that they will kill their chips make me go doh.gif
You need some excessive amount of voltage/current or heat to kill a chip, unless your totally clueless it is pretty hard to kill a CPU solely on a OC when your not not taking it to the extremes.
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ok fine sounds good lets run a "real world test" go ahead and fold for 24 hrs to test stability...there ya go real world test. thumb.gif
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I fold for a day or two and call it a day for my stability. I will run IBT for quick and dirty stability of a new OC, but prefer a more real world test for long term stability. Saying Prime/IBT is useless is bunk though. They have their uses.
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