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So price is not a problem. Let me just start by saying that. Ok so I have a Phantom 820 case, a 3770k overclocked to 4.8Ghz, and two 7950's in crossfire clocked at 1150/1600. I am going to possibly be adding a 3rd 7950 in the future. So I am going to get a black EK CPU block, three black EK 7950 blocks, a 120.3 rad (top), a 120.2 rad (bottom), a 140 rad (rear), and a 120 rad (HDD cage swivel fan mount). Not sure what kind though so some recommendations would be appreciated. Also going to get some 3/8 (should I get 3/8?) white UV tubing. Not sure what I am going to get for compression fittings, but am looking for something sexy, black, and high quality. For a pump I'm thinking of this ( http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sicumclad5wi.html ). I'm looking to run a single loop and I would like to make it cool the best that it possibly can. I'm new to this whole concept of watercooling so if you could let me know what else I should get and explain why and what it does I will give REP to all who can help. Also, would like some suggestions on rads and compression fittings. Also, if you see something I posted that is not a good idea to get please feel free to tell me otherwise. Thanks a lot guys I love this community filled with passionate people! ~Josh
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So price is not a problem. Let me just start by saying that. Ok so I have a Phantom 820 case, a 3770k overclocked to 4.8Ghz, and two 7950's in crossfire clocked at 1150/1600. I am going to possibly be adding a 3rd 7950 in the future. So I am going to get a black EK CPU block, three black EK 7950 blocks, a 120.3 rad (top), a 120.2 rad (bottom), a 140 rad (rear), and a 120 rad (HDD cage swivel fan mount). Not sure what kind though so some recommendations would be appreciated. Also going to get some 3/8 (should I get 3/8?) white UV tubing. Not sure what I am going to get for compression fittings, but am looking for something sexy, black, and high quality. For a pump I'm thinking of this ( http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sicumclad5wi.html ). I'm looking to run a single loop and I would like to make it cool the best that it possibly can. I'm new to this whole concept of watercooling so if you could let me know what else I should get and explain why and what it does I will give REP to all who can help. Also, would like some suggestions on rads and compression fittings. Also, if you see something I posted that is not a good idea to get please feel free to tell me otherwise. Thanks a lot guys I love this community filled with passionate people! ~Josh

Hey there. The Alphacool Nexxos Full copper line of rads are excellent performers, one of the best. For tubing, 3/8 will be fine as will 1/2, do whatever you like. Id personally choose 3/8 as its easier to work with. Performance difference b/w the two is negligible. Bitspower fittings are the best in the industry, excellent quality and any type of fitting you need and great looks to boot. They are however the most expensive. The D5 is an excellent choice for pump. With all those blocks and rads, you should look into getting two pumps to aid with flow.
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Ok so I'll get two of those pumps. Would I set them up right next to each other? Or should I set the other pump up halfway through the loop somehow? Also the pump says "..with G 1/4 Threads." So should I just go with 1/4th tubing so I don't have to get converters? Thanks and here is REP for you for helping me. Please stick around to help me a little more thumb.gif

EDIT: I just seen that it comes with "barbs" and you get to choose the size so I'm guessing a barb is some type of converter? So pumps use barbs and not compression fittings? Are barbs what you stick the tube in? Anyway I could use compression fittings instead of the barbs?
Edited by RavageTheEarth - 4/1/13 at 6:35pm
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Also, I am looking at tubing right now and I see that some say 3/8 x 1/2 and some say 3/8 x 5/8. Why is there two sizes for 3/8? Would either fit on something specified to use 3/8? Is there one that would be better to get? That really confused me because I hear people refer to their tubing as 3/8, but I don't know what actual size they are refering to. Curveball!

Also when I am looking at tubing and it says 3/8 x 1/2 is it the first number that represents the size? So that would be 3/8 size tubing? Or would it be 1/2 size tubing? WOW. haha I'm very thrown off by this.
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Ok so I'll get two of those pumps. Would I set them up right next to each other? Or should I set the other pump up halfway through the loop somehow? Also the pump says "..with G 1/4 Threads." So should I just go with 1/4th tubing so I don't have to get converters? Thanks and here is REP for you for helping me. Please stick around to help me a little more thumb.gif

EDIT: I just seen that it comes with "barbs" and you get to choose the size so I'm guessing a barb is some type of converter? So pumps use barbs and not compression fittings? Are barbs what you stick the tube in? Anyway I could use compression fittings instead of the barbs?

For the pumps, you can set them up next to each other or use something like this: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=318_665&products_id=35891

G1/4 inch is the size of the thread. The thread goes into the water cooling component. On the other end of the fitting is where you attach the tubing. You don't use 1/4" tubing. The fitting is basically a converter itself from G1/4 inch to whatever size fitting you use.

There are two types of fittings, barbs and compressions. They both do the same thing, compressions just look better. Your tubing has two sizes, an inner diameter and an outer diameter. For barbs, if you have a 3/8" barb, you want 3/8inch Inner diameter tubing, The outer diameter doesn't matter for barbs. For compression fittings, you need to make sure your fitting size is the same as your tubing size. If oyu have 1/2 ID 3/4 OD tubing, you want 1/2 ID 3/4 OD compression fittings. The stock D5 comes with 1/2" barb fittings. You can get a custom top for your pump and use your own fittings or use a reservoir pump combo like in the link before.

For barbs, the tubing fits OVER the barb, not inside it. Compression fittings are like barbs but have a collar on them instead of using tube clamps with barbs. Here is a diagram i quickly made in MSPAINT.

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I'll share some of my opinions hopefully they help! I too have recently upgraded and been doing a lot of reading and researching seeing as my dollar costing mistakes were hurting more than just my pockets but my rig as well frown.gif

This might not be what you want, but between the smaller tubing for higher pressure less flow and larger tubing for more flow less pressure I see many users including myself meeting in the middle.
If you choose to get 7/16" 5/8" tubing, it will be large enough for a nice flow and not too large for the pressure lost, the other Pro about this is you can use a 1/2" barb and you will have a really tight fit, (its nice to know you did your part right but even more knowing that tube has no chance of leaving that barb smile.gif )


That g 1/4 is just the thread size for wherever you screw the fitting / compression fitting / extender or any type of plug you are using

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15239/ex-tub-1213/Alphacool_G14_Thread_12_13mm_ID_FatBoy_Barb_-_Chrome.html
That is example of a barb fitting
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8604/ex-tub-452/Bitspower_G_14_Thread_45_Degree_Rotary_12_Barb_Fitting_BP-BS45R2I.html
rotary one

Compression fittings would have to be the size of the actual tube though, for most? i believe
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18376/ex-tub-1749/ModMyToys_Carbon_Fiber_Enhanced_Compression_Fitting_-_716ID_x_58OD_-_Single_Matte_Black_MMT-CFF-MB-BK-71658-1.html


That is about all I know without second guessing what I write...

One thing I'd look into is the EK water blocks, I've never owned one, just recently bought a heatkiller 79x0 myself, but I have read multiple threads in this sub-forum about the EK leaking or the EK links leaking but I never really looked further into it.
When I did the research for my GPU block I discovered with the help of other users the EK would have better flow which is great for multiple cards, more than the heatkiller, but since I was only cooling one I chose to get the heatkiller, it "performs" better in some way but if I use multiple cards it does have an odd flow restriction.

Subbed your thread, hope some more experienced WC'ers than me drop some very usefull and helpful knowledge thumb.gif gl with the build mate

Sorry for the large post , i do hope it helps in some way shape or form tongue.gif
  
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For the pumps, you can set them up next to each other or use something like this: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=318_665&products_id=35891

G1/4 inch is the size of the thread. The thread goes into the water cooling component. On the other end of the fitting is where you attach the tubing. You don't use 1/4" tubing. The fitting is basically a converter itself from G1/4 inch to whatever size fitting you use.

There are two types of fittings, barbs and compressions. They both do the same thing, compressions just look better. Your tubing has two sizes, an inner diameter and an outer diameter. For barbs, if you have a 3/8" barb, you want 3/8inch Inner diameter tubing, The outer diameter doesn't matter for barbs. For compression fittings, you need to make sure your fitting size is the same as your tubing size. If oyu have 1/2 ID 3/4 OD tubing, you want 1/2 ID 3/4 OD compression fittings. The stock D5 comes with 1/2" barb fittings. You can get a custom top for your pump and use your own fittings or use a reservoir pump combo like in the link before.

For barbs, the tubing fits OVER the barb, not inside it. Compression fittings are like barbs but have a collar on them instead of using tube clamps with barbs. Here is a diagram i quickly made in MSPAINT.


Awesome now everything is a lot more clear. Here is my list so far.

(2x) Sidewinder Custom tapped MCP655 / Laing D5 with G 1/4 Threads - $180
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sicumclad5wi.html
EK Supremacy - Acetal CPU Water Block - $77
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/cpu-blocks/ek-supremacy-acetal.html
(2x) EK-FC7950 - Acetal VGA Water Block - $218
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/ati-radeon-full-cover-blocks/radeon-hd-7xx0-series/ek-fc7950-acetal.html
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 360mm - $70
http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p979_Alphacool-NexXxoS-ST30-Full-Copper-360mm.html
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 240mm - $50
http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p977_Alphacool-NexXxoS-ST30-Full-Copper-240mm.html
Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper 140mm - $55
http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p987_Alphacool-NexXxoS-XT45-Full-Copper-140mm.html
(12x) Bitspower Premium G1/4" Black Matte High Flow 3/8" (5/8") Compression Fitting - $108
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_346_393_614&products_id=26973
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I'll share some of my opinions hopefully they help! I too have recently upgraded and been doing a lot of reading and researching seeing as my dollar costing mistakes were hurting more than just my pockets but my rig as well frown.gif

This might not be what you want, but between the smaller tubing for higher pressure less flow and larger tubing for more flow less pressure I see many users including myself meeting in the middle.
If you choose to get 7/16" 5/8" tubing, it will be large enough for a nice flow and not too large for the pressure lost, the other Pro about this is you can use a 1/2" barb and you will have a really tight fit, (its nice to know you did your part right but even more knowing that tube has no chance of leaving that barb smile.gif )


That g 1/4 is just the thread size for wherever you screw the fitting / compression fitting / extender or any type of plug you are using

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15239/ex-tub-1213/Alphacool_G14_Thread_12_13mm_ID_FatBoy_Barb_-_Chrome.html
That is example of a barb fitting
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8604/ex-tub-452/Bitspower_G_14_Thread_45_Degree_Rotary_12_Barb_Fitting_BP-BS45R2I.html
rotary one

Compression fittings would have to be the size of the actual tube though, for most? i believe
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18376/ex-tub-1749/ModMyToys_Carbon_Fiber_Enhanced_Compression_Fitting_-_716ID_x_58OD_-_Single_Matte_Black_MMT-CFF-MB-BK-71658-1.html


That is about all I know without second guessing what I write...

One thing I'd look into is the EK water blocks, I've never owned one, just recently bought a heatkiller 79x0 myself, but I have read multiple threads in this sub-forum about the EK leaking or the EK links leaking but I never really looked further into it.
When I did the research for my GPU block I discovered with the help of other users the EK would have better flow which is great for multiple cards, more than the heatkiller, but since I was only cooling one I chose to get the heatkiller, it "performs" better in some way but if I use multiple cards it does have an odd flow restriction.

Subbed your thread, hope some more experienced WC'ers than me drop some very usefull and helpful knowledge thumb.gif gl with the build mate

Sorry for the large post , i do hope it helps in some way shape or form tongue.gif

Large posts are good my friend! Lots of useful info and I really appreciate every little bit of it. REP to you and to Hamma for the amazing help. So maybe I will got with the 7/16 x 5/8 tubing. Sounds good to me. There is actually compression fittings that are high quality just like the bitspower, but they are only a couple bucks a piece. I need to hunt down that thread again.
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Awesome now everything is a lot more clear. Here is my list so far.

(2x) Sidewinder Custom tapped MCP655 / Laing D5 with G 1/4 Threads - $180
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/sicumclad5wi.html
EK Supremacy - Acetal CPU Water Block - $77
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/cpu-blocks/ek-supremacy-acetal.html
(2x) EK-FC7950 - Acetal VGA Water Block - $218
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/ati-radeon-full-cover-blocks/radeon-hd-7xx0-series/ek-fc7950-acetal.html
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 360mm - $70
http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p979_Alphacool-NexXxoS-ST30-Full-Copper-360mm.html
Alphacool NexXxoS ST30 Full Copper 240mm - $50
http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p977_Alphacool-NexXxoS-ST30-Full-Copper-240mm.html
Alphacool NexXxoS XT45 Full Copper 140mm - $55
http://www.alphacool.com/product_info.php/info/p987_Alphacool-NexXxoS-XT45-Full-Copper-140mm.html
(12x) Bitspower Premium G1/4" Black Matte High Flow 3/8" (5/8") Compression Fitting - $108
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_346_393_614&products_id=26973

Looking good so far! For tubing, get 3/8, 5/8 Primochill Advanced LRT. Really good tubing and plasticizer free.
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Looking good so far! For tubing, get 3/8, 5/8 Primochill Advanced LRT. Really good tubing and plasticizer free.

Unless they have changed recently then I would not agree I have had the blue UV and the white both have plasticized on me and it sucked frown.gif

Any reason why you want the EK over lets say.... the Apogee HD and the Koolance 380?

Also the same for the GPU blocks why not heatkiller or some of the other brands?
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