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I think the future is gesture / touch for the majority. I also see a space in the market for the traditional desktop to code the touch interfaces on

Can you imagine typing out a 10 page report on a touchscreen? How about playing COD with gestures? It's just not going to happen without a huge, unified shift in how computers and computer programs are designed. Give it 30 years, maybe.
    
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Well if the majority of OCN hates Windows 8 and it's not IT Admins.net, then ever stop to think it's NOT the bleeding edged software you speak so highly of? Sure a few little improvements were made in memory managment and other performance aspects, but it pales in comparison to the changes being forced upon the rest whom will eventually have to either move on to linux or find a way to hack the crap out of windows and risk making it unstable. Planned obsolecence is the problem here, and one of the real issues is how hard M$ is pushing Metro. In blue, they're already showing progress in removing the classic desktop (which is my real grunt with windows 8...) And even then the classic desktop is an after thought. It's annoying how I have to thumb through this piece of crap software to get anything done. Yeah keyboard shortcuts and all that jazz. I mean If I had a touch screen monitor I might not hate it as much, but to be completely honest, there is nothing so massively improved to be shouting windows 8 to the high graces!

So my main gripe is how they want everyone to move to Metro, they're already working on it (proof is in the coding), and frankly it's a bit Apple-ish.

So you're getting on to the majority about disliking being forced onto a piece of crap OS that doesn't really have much of a noticeable performance benefit, and going on about how it's not ITAdmins.net while the rest of the world hates Windows 8 and you think it's the bee's knees.

Check it like this. Ever think that the "hate-wagon" isn't the hate-wagon and you're just fanboying over M$'s newest toy?

Let's take this a bit further, have you not considered the repercussions for those of us in the software industry? or those of us in the support industry? These new changes are going to breed a special kind of user that is going to be so inept that anything short of remote assistance is going to be hell.

M$ wants all new programs to run in Metro. And that's a new programming nightmare for the rest. Valve even spoke out against it (and they're releasing Steam on Linux which is admittedly, from a Linux user's standpoint, a pain in the ass.)

I mean come on, you guys are whining about all the "haters" when it's not really helping anyone. It's just a damn hipsters envisonment of a "Future" OS that somehow got past the developers table.

Yeah I kinda like Metro on a touch screen device. But otherwise, it's not so much the Implementation on the office aspect, it's going to be the ultimate support aspect of it all that's going to cost companies more than they have invested into their products. Microsoft is not in good graces with software giants already.

At the end of the day, the haters are annoying, and the fanboys are even more annoying. 5% of end users are sitting there oblivious to the world with an idiotic smile on their face attempting to grasp why the world, including software companies, dislike their shiny polished turd of a new toy, while the other 95% are furiously bashing away at their keyboards and making pointless support calls about trying to figure out how to open solitaire. It's a lose lose for everyone.

If the world wanted a Windows phone on their desktop, the world would have bought Windows phones....

You keep saying that Win8 is horrible for productivity and how metro gets in your way but you haven't given one actual example of that. Anybody can spout off about how terrible metro is for productivity but I want to know WHY its so bad??? Think you can stop talking about Apple and hipsters long enough to answer that? rolleyes.gif
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You keep saying that Win8 is horrible for productivity and how metro gets in your way but you haven't given one actual example of that. Anybody can spout off about how terrible metro is for productivity but I want to know WHY its so bad??? Think you can stop talking about Apple and hipsters long enough to answer that? rolleyes.gif

I actually agree with him, from both a productivity, and a developer viewpoint

TIFKAM forces you to full screen whatever your using or to put it to the side where IMO its useless, you can have it run in a decent split screen (or perhaps I'm not smart enough to figure that out, and I LIKE windows 8)

unless you have dual screens then TIFKAM forces you to use one program at a time (basically) and from a developers stand point you have to now develop things to run in metro...yet another set of instructions to try and keep from problems. (obv this is down the road but its the direction they are going)

just my 2 cents 2cents.gif I hate TIFKAM trying to make me use it alone for viewing pics/music/using any apps from the app store, Skype for crying out loud wants to be run full screen honestly!?!?!? if I'm not using video Why in the world would I want Skype at full screen I want to be able to multitask, surf the web/play a game while skyping, not just sit there and look at a full screen of their avatar.

so just so you are aware, I like windows 8, run it on my main rig, laptop, and office computer, and both my main rig and office computer I use no start button/windows 7 kernel or whatever its called, I like the way it works, aside from it trying to take over my programs full screen and use the tifkam version. aside from that I dont mind the "Start menu" the way it is, and the only problem I've had is with a couple of Windows live games that I cant get to work in windows 8
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just my 2 cents 2cents.gif I hate TIFKAM trying to make me use it alone for viewing pics/music/using any apps from the app store, Skype for crying out loud wants to be run full screen honestly!?!?!? if I'm not using video Why in the world would I want Skype at full screen I want to be able to multitask, surf the web/play a game while skyping, not just sit there and look at a full screen of their avatar.

Exactly why I uninstalled the Skype App and downloaded Skype for desktop.
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You keep saying that Win8 is horrible for productivity and how metro gets in your way but you haven't given one actual example of that. Anybody can spout off about how terrible metro is for productivity but I want to know WHY its so bad??? Think you can stop talking about Apple and hipsters long enough to answer that? rolleyes.gif

Lets see what a quick search reveals ... biggrin.gif

Double Desktop = Cognitive Overhead and Added Memory Load
Lack of Multiple Windows = Memory Overload for Complex Tasks
Flat Style Reduces Discoverability
Low Information Density
Overly Live Tiles Backfire
Charms Are Hidden Generic Commands
Error-Prone Gestures
...
initially confusing, e.g. no Start button
switching between Metro and desktop modes can be jarring
Metro apps have usability issues on PCs
some bizarre configuration locations
fewer customization options
you’re forced to start on the Metro screen
no XP Mode
Internet Explorer 10
...
It keeps going and going ....

I think it's funny that there was a Windows 8 app dedicated to complaining about it. I wonder how much he got paid under the table by MS to pull it. lol.
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Exactly why I uninstalled the Skype App and downloaded Skype for desktop.

I did the same but what happens when there's no longer that option?

I agree tifkam works well for touch, but I greatly prefer my KB/mouse.
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Double Desktop = Cognitive Overhead and Added Memory Load
Lack of Multiple Windows = Memory Overload for Complex Tasks
I don't think the memory load is reastically noticable on any new PC. As long as you aren't installing win8 on some ancient machine, this shouldn't be an issue.
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Flat Style Reduces Discoverability

No idea what you mean by that tongue.gif.
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Low Information Density
Overly Live Tiles Backfire
The "metro screen" has a similar information density to the start menu
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Charms Are Hidden Generic Commands
Error-Prone Gestures

Don't use them? This doesn't affect productivity
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initially confusing, e.g. no Start button

That's a one- time learning thing. You might have to spend about an hour getting used to it all, then that downside is gone
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switching between Metro and desktop modes can be jarring
Metro apps have usability issues on PCs

Sure, but this doesn't affect productivity at all. There's no reason to use an App not meant to be used on PC. Just because it's possible to use the app on PC doesn't mean you should be using it over the intended desktop version.
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some bizarre configuration locations
fewer customization options
You'll learn new locations if needed... most stuff is really in the same spot as far as I've found though. I haven't seen any fewer customization options... and this doesn't affect productivity.
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you’re forced to start on the Metro screen
no XP Mode
Internet Explorer 10

Metro screen is a minor annoyance, but if desktop is your first tile you can bypass it by hitting "enter"
No XP mode isn't something that affects productivity. XP mode is just a VM, there's tons of other options.
IE 10 isn't a valid complain either... it takes all of 14 seconds to download a different browser.


All the complaints I've heard seem to be fears of what MIGHT happen to windows in the future, but are not valid complaints against windows 8 in it's current form.
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Yeah, I still didn't see any actual productivity issues in that list of minor complaints. Guess what? You can use full screen apps and just switch between them. thumb.gif You don't HAVE to have multiple windows visible at once to be productive and Win8 also has pretty good multi monitor support anyway. Most all of the complaints about Win8 are really more complaints about having to learn and get used to new things.

That being said, from a business standpoint it makes little sense to force people to change if they refuse to. Just give them the option to not use metro and most of them will be happy...
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Yeah, I still didn't see any actual productivity issues in that list of minor complaints. Guess what? You can use full screen apps and just switch between them. thumb.gif You don't HAVE to have multiple windows visible at once to be productive and Win8 also has pretty good multi monitor support anyway. Most all of the complaints about Win8 are really more complaints about having to learn and get used to new things.

I actually completely disagree there. You do need multiple windows visible at once to be productive in many cases... Like when I'm modeling something in Soldworks, it makes a lot of sense to have the drawing up at the same time. Also when I'm making the CAM program it helps to write the setup sheet while I'm doing it.

The thing is, you don't have to use the metro apps in windows 8, so no complaints about them are really a valid complaint against the OS. I personally don't think Microsoft is going to get rid of their namsake - windows, so I don't think they will force all programs to be full screen apps in the future.
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I bet if you tried you could still manage to be productive without having to have the other window constantly open (Alt-Tab just adds a minor inconvenience)...
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