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post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by DaveLT View Post

Nope. Thuban actually has slightly higher IPC clock for clock than deneb. You didn't read the L3 cache statement did you?
Trinity has no level three cache, yeah.

However, without Turbo, does Thuban have more I.P.C. versus Deneb at same clock speeds with R.A.M. performance being non-applicable?
Edited by L4dd - 4/4/13 at 8:37pm
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post

960T

here is mine at Quad 4GHz with a 7970 stock . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6255820

plays bf3 mp at 1080 ultra with 4msaa smoothly. it unlocks to six core and perfect for ps2.

edit: here is Hex at 4GHz . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6328043

mine oc's all the way to 4.6 Hex in a good day.

Something doesn't seem right with your results, you should be scoring a heck of a lot more with an HD7970. I am getting a better score with a 7870....... Is your CPU bottlenecking the GPU, or is it driver issues? Either way, you should be closer to 12000 points for your GPU score, not in the 8000 range. Then again, maybe its because your running at reference clocks, perhaps im used to seeing the GHZ edition results...


Edit:
Looking at some older reviews, it appears that the HD7970 scored in the 8000 point range early on, however this was with driver immaturity. Im not sure what those reference cards would have scored with 12.8 and up drivers.











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Originally Posted by hakz View Post

I'll be using a 1866Mhz ram for these, I'm a little confused about these two.
I believe the 960T would be better. Not sure so I asked tongue.gif

Will be gaming on a 720p resolution.

if I missed some info or something please let me know


Given the two options, the 960T and the HD7770 are going to offer the best performance. The APU however is slightly more cost effective. The integrated GPU in the 5800k will not be as strong as the HD7770 will be, especially if your friend plans on using AA or other eye candy. Either processor can be overclocked fairly easily, and in some cases the 960T can be unlocked to a hexacore processor with the appropriate board.
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by Mattb2e View Post

Something doesn't seem right with your results, you should be scoring a heck of a lot more with an HD7970. I am getting a better score with a 7870....... Is your CPU bottlenecking the GPU, or is it driver issues? Either way, you should be closer to 12000 points for your GPU score, not in the 8000 range. Then again, maybe its because your running at reference clocks, perhaps im used to seeing the GHZ edition results...


Edit:
Looking at some older reviews, it appears that the HD7970 scored in the 8000 point range early on, however this was with driver immaturity. Im not sure what those reference cards would have scored with 12.8 and up drivers.
Given the two options, the 960T and the HD7770 are going to offer the best performance. The APU however is slightly more cost effective. The integrated GPU in the 5800k will not be as strong as the HD7770 will be, especially if your friend plans on using AA or other eye candy. Either processor can be overclocked fairly easily, and in some cases the 960T can be unlocked to a hexacore processor with the appropriate board.
A A10-5800k will hold back even a 7850 let alone a 960T (not unlocked yet) holding back a 7970 i think
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Originally Posted by L4dd View Post

Trinity has no level three cache, yeah.

However, without Turbo, does Thuban have more I.P.C. versus Deneb at same clock speeds with R.A.M. performance being non-applicable?
Yeah. I think it is. IPC is PER CLOCK and i'm not talking about turbo turbo or not IPC is the same
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post #24 of 30
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Yeah. I think it is. IPC is PER CLOCK and i'm not talking about turbo turbo or not IPC is the same
Have you seen this?
http://forums.amd.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=318&threadid=157924&highlight_key=y
Edited by L4dd - 4/4/13 at 9:33pm
post #25 of 30
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A A10-5800k will hold back even a 7850 let alone a 960T (not unlocked yet) holding back a 7970 i think

My comment was on another users posted score of 3dmark 11 with his unlocked 960T at 4ghz. I was questioning his results as they seemed low to me, I wasn't insinuating anything about an 5800k, just being inquisitive. If this users results were based on the fact that he was running at reference clocks, the 960T wasn't holding back the 7970. However, transversely if the result he got was because of the 960T, that would be a different story.

As I mentioned the early benchmarks for the reference 7970 showed 3dmark 11 scores around 8k-9k points. I wasn't sure if this was due to the clock speeds of the reference cards, or driver immaturity. Without researching another users results with a reference 7970 at stock speeds, and a different CPU choice, I have no way of knowing which scenario is true. I didn't feel like going that far with it tongue.gif.
post #26 of 30
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My comment was on another users posted score of 3dmark 11 with his unlocked 960T at 4ghz. I was questioning his results as they seemed low to me, I wasn't insinuating anything about an 5800k, just being inquisitive. If this users results were based on the fact that he was running at reference clocks, the 960T wasn't holding back the 7970. However, transversely if the result he got was because of the 960T, that would be a different story.

As I mentioned the early benchmarks for the reference 7970 showed 3dmark 11 scores around 8k-9k points. I wasn't sure if this was due to the clock speeds of the reference cards, or driver immaturity. Without researching another users results with a reference 7970 at stock speeds, and a different CPU choice, I have no way of knowing which scenario is true. I didn't feel like going that far with it tongue.gif.
tongue.gif I know, i know. Just saying that i don't really think a 960T stock wouldn't bottleneck a 7970
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post #27 of 30
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Something doesn't seem right with your results, you should be scoring a heck of a lot more with an HD7970. I am getting a better score with a 7870....... Is your CPU bottlenecking the GPU, or is it driver issues? Either way, you should be closer to 12000 points for your GPU score, not in the 8000 range. Then again, maybe its because your running at reference clocks, perhaps im used to seeing the GHZ edition results...


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Given the two options, the 960T and the HD7770 are going to offer the best performance. The APU however is slightly more cost effective. The integrated GPU in the 5800k will not be as strong as the HD7770 will be, especially if your friend plans on using AA or other eye candy. Either processor can be overclocked fairly easily, and in some cases the 960T can be unlocked to a hexacore processor with the appropriate board.

my 7970 is at stock. can't push it with a 550W psu. you are right, though, my 960T, even unlocked, struggles. the highest physics score i can get out of it so far is 7500. i know the 7970 can do much better, since my 7950 gets 11000 graphics score. i am pretty much done with benching, since i know what these hardware are capable of. time to play.
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depends on the clocks . . .

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post #29 of 30
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depends on the clocks . . .

Thuban should clock higher than Deneb of the same amount of cores, so this slight I.P.C. difference when less threads would be used could be negated via overclocking the Thuban beyond the Deneb, yeah.

Post #18 shows a quad core Thuban (basically Zosma) and a quad core C3 Deneb both at 4 GHz, and the Thuban had less performance with single threaded Cinebench:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29915691&postcount=18

To be on the topic, the Zosma versus the Trinity would yield better performance from the Zosma if clocks are appropriate.
Edited by L4dd - 4/5/13 at 2:59pm
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Did you mean to type Trinity instead of Deneb?
Nope. Thuban actually has slightly higher IPC clock for clock than deneb. You didn't read the L3 cache statement did you?
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I don't think he meant you, he was referring to the end user of 'this' build.
When he said "user" in response to a post that replies to my claim that trinity does not OC as well as Piledriver does i assumed it was directed at me. I apologize for that

no harm done, we're good. thumb.gif
although I was a bit surprised myself. tongue.gif

Thanks for the replies guys! specool.gif
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