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Recently Intel has decided to exit the motherboard scene and after their Haswell series of Motherboards, they no longer feel the need to produce motherboards as there is already some great stuff coming out of taiwan. I've never bought an intel motherboard anyway, but with the move to focus on their cpu's and integration of their chipsets into third party manufacturers it's got me wondering how much business is dwindling from the motherboard & desktop scene.

I've recently been thinking more and more about the need for bigger / larger desktop towers & their uses in today's modern world. First off, before I get called " Troll ". I like big cases as much as the next person however this is something I've been thinking about.

Really, with everything shrinking & getting smaller and smaller, you can fit high end setups in mini itx rigs, micro atx cases & even the more standard atx cases , are bigger cases slowly becoming more redundant? You've got cases like the Cosmos 2, 900d, Xigmatek Elysium, Case-Labs Magnum & Merlin series, all great cases, but absolutely HUGE & they are great at what they do, but what real world application are these cases suitable for? In a professional setting where power is required, usually you'd be able to fit ANY graphics card into many mid towers, even the cases that cost less & are on the lower end of the spectrum. Cooling wise there are many mid towers available to suit everyones needs as well as ITX size rigs.

Truly, I can say as someone who used to own a larger case, that it's no longer about how big of a case you have but how the space is used and I can appreciate all sorts of cases. However, I can actually move my rig around now, it was reasonably priced & I can fit an SLI, mid range ( 3770k, 680 ) setup in there no worries whilst still maintaining a reasonably moderate size.

I spent $1600 on a computer which to many builders today is nothing, and I max out every game, ?I play with excellent sound quality & a sound card, great resolutions, have two ssd's & an incredible amount of RAM & storage space. Everyone can achieve this, I'm not breaking new ground. & it's like sometimes the excuse " It's beacuse we have a passion, it's because we're enthusiasts is also a little redundant". Why use that as an excuse to WASTE money on redundancy, it doesn't make you look like a hobbyist, it makes you look like an idiot. Many people compare this to restoring & building old cars, the truth is it's quite different & although I appreciate the effort it's just simply not even close.

You see, I'd liken this new craze of everyone " building the biggest & best rigs " to everyone driving around in a H2 Hummer all chromed out with flashing lights. You need to have taste to be able to restore classic motors, and most enthusiasts now are going out and buying big cases, like the 900d and throwing a 3770k in there.

Just to get this out in the open, z77, i5 3570k i7 3770k & then the upcoming Haswell I7 4770k's are MAINSTREAM cpu's. You have no idea how silly it is to look upon these monster cases like the cosmos 2 and find out that your running the same CPU as computers that are sold in store for $1000. The same goes for everything else... Like your running windows 8 dude.. just like the rest of us but in a case that looks like it dropped out of space and is WAY too big.

Here's the deal - Today, you can spend less & achieve more, achieve a good solid overclock in a well priced & adequate sized case without spending $5000 to colour co ordinate a PC ( which is quite easy by the way ). I've come to learn that most of what professional reviewers are suggesting at the moment its quite ridiculous.. Most reviewers do NOT understand the differences between positive & negative air flow & the importance of VALUE in a chassis. It's for this very reason Cooler Master stopped producing quality cases and started pumping out cases like the PLASTIC HAF series & discontinued the ATCS 840's and so on...because people are demanding Bigger sizes, less quality & more crap like led's fan controllers... ugh.

The same goes with LIAN li, they used to be AMAZING cases and now they are barely keeping up with the designs of their cases and the quality of the cases is so disgustingly Low...

Even corsair, look at the 400r & 500r, such disappointing chassis frown.gif nothing compares in terms of quality today & it's really making large cases redundant. in a years time they're going to have a full line up of thunderbolt " GPU in a box " style solutions will allow ultrabooks, laptops & notebooks to use the Thunderbolt ports to transfer video data, essentially turning everyhing else to trash, being able to use the 680 with thunderbolt & hooking it up to a laptop. Easy!

Edit for language.
post #2 of 14

I don't think they're becoming redundant especially with the water cooling space requirements.

 

If you look Intel just isn't "the mobo" people have purchased.  Look in this forum at the builds and I bet within a whole day of searching you'd have a difficult time finding enough rigs with Intel mobos to count in one hand.

post #3 of 14
It all depends what your goals are, and how much you care about looks.

If you're spending a lot on a case, chances are it's more for looks than anything else--unless you REALLY need all that room.

But you seem almost a little angry about it.

You can totally have a high performing machine in a small case nowadays, I agree with you--and you're right you don't need to spend a lot.

But I don't think you can disregard the enthusiast aspect so easily. It's not all about crunching frames--it's about looking good doing it.

And this is coming from a guy with a budget minded build in a cheap case. If I had the money to I'd probably make a beastly rig in a big case with watercooling, even though I could make one perform about as well for much cheaper. It's because it looks cool, it's fun, and because they can.
post #4 of 14
I can see your point about mid towers. However, try to fit QuadSLI/Quad fire in one without everything cooking. Even a watercooled ATX setup would require a decent amount of space unless you are using a single GPU (see Fractal Define Midi R2).

The simple fact is you cannot break rules of thermodynamics. Unless your CPU/GPU don't produce much heat you need to dump the heat somewhere, whether by water or air. If using air, then you need space for the air. If using water, you need space for rad, reservoir, pump, tubing (space limited by kinking). This also applies for CLC water, minus the reservoir.
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I would say it is more like some of the "dead wood" is being pruned out and companies are becoming specialised. On the one you have only 2 manufacturers of graphics cards but a plethora of mobo manufacturers and it makes sense for Intel to concentrate on what they are really good at. My last "store bought" PC was a Packard Bell 6810 SLI in 2006 but when the mobo started to die I decided to replace it and it turned into a full scale hobby. I found that PC retailers fob you off with substandard components and charge you a premium for building it plus they give you a "cover plan" which in the case of PC World isn't worth the paper it is written on.
Bigger isn't always better but most custom built PC's are "boys toys" if the truth be known but there's nothing wrong with that.
post #6 of 14
Intel is not exiting the motherboard arena. Maybe the "desktop" mobo, but they are still designing and building motherboards for servers and have recently introduced the NUC platform that uses their own designed mini thin itx board.

..and sorry about this, but one of the comments got me started:

"I like big cases, and I cannot lie!"

I too love the real estate of the large chassis, but I am one of those guys that fills up most of the drive bays, so I need the room. I have 10 HDD's in my Home Server and need more. I have one of the thermaltake liquid cooling chassis just waiting for a workstation build that should be coming soon. I will need the room for drives and dual Quadro cards. I may even water the GPU's but not certain yet.

All in all it is like earlier comments. There is a shift in the computer paradigm right now and since there are DIY laptops and AIO's some of the larger chassis/systems are being phased out. The build I was going to do with an HTPC style chassis is now going to be an AIO (Computer/TV for the kitchen).
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As a happy owner of a Haf X and two 932's, I must say that I've had use for the extra space. I've been changing parts back and forth, adding new things, and taking away others, and the HAFs have taken everything I've thrown at them so far. All my hard-drives, different radiators, different graphicscards etc. And because it's so big compared to most cases, it is really easy to take things apart. biggrin.gif

While the HAF-series has a lot of plastic, I can assure you that it is merly the trim, the cases themselves are thick solid metal (and actually more sturdy than the LianLi case I've got aswell).
post #8 of 14
Intel was never a big player in the mobo market to start with.
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" It's beacuse we have a passion, it's because we're enthusiasts is also a little redundant". Why use that as an excuse to WASTE money on redundancy, it doesn't make you look like a hobbyist, it makes you look like an idiot. Many people compare this to restoring & building old cars, the truth is it's quite different & although I appreciate the effort it's just simply not even close.
How is any money wasted if it's going towards something you enjoy?
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Just another thing - through my hobby I have built up quite a bit of knowledge in picking parts, finding them at the right price. Getting knowledge on any subject is worth getting for its own sake, and in the case of computers can save you and other people money. A pal of mine wanted to buy a laptop for his wifes birthday but didn't want to break the bank so he asked me to find a good used one on ebay - I found a totally outstanding one with W7 Ultimate for a bargain price and everybody was happy. I couldn't have done that if I had been Joe Soap shopping at a high street shop.
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May I ask why you keep starting threads about this? You keep getting your answers yet you keep starting more and more threads.....
 
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