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Google could face fines from six European countries' privacy regulators, including the UK and Germany, after refusing to reverse changes to its privacy policies made in March 2012.

The search company has infuriated the regulators by declining to respond to their demands made over multiple months – even as research shows that user concerns about online privacy are high.

France's privacy body, CNIL, together with its counterparts in the UK, Netherlands, German, Spain and Italy, said on Tuesday they will take joint legal action involving an investigation and possible fines. The UK's information commissioner's office (ICO) can levy fines of up to £500,000 for breaches of the Data Protection Act. A decision is expected by summer 2013. CNIL could fine it up to €300,000 (£255,000).

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The move comes while European competition regulators are separately trying to decide what action to take to prevent monopoly abuses by Google, which has about 95% of the European search market.
Wow, European governments are so screwed in the head it's incomprehensible.

What are we gonna see? European Google with a search engine ballot that gives you a friendly option to choose between Bing and Yahoo search? rolleyes.gif

What do these "regulators" do on a regular basis? It seems like they sit in a room all day thinking to themselves "Hmm, what is a very successful company with genuinely good products that we can knock down a few pegs..."
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Wow, European governments are so screwed in the head it's incomprehensible.
What are we gonna see? European Google with a search engine ballot that gives you a friendly option to choose between Bing and Yahoo search? rolleyes.gif
What do these "regulators" do on a regular basis? It seems like they sit in a room all day thinking to themselves "Hmm, what is a very successful company with genuinely good products that we can knock down a few pegs..."

Umm read the article, Kinda got the issue wrong there mate. It's about privacy.
 
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Umm read the article, Kinda got the issue wrong there mate. It's about privacy.

I know, in that particular quote it mentions that the monopoly inquiry is a separate issue.

My apologies, allow me to present an equally ridiculous quote dealing with the main issue:
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The agencies complained of being stonewalled by Google for over a year about their concerns that its unification of more than 60 separate privacy policies last year could confuse users and leave them unsure how their data was being used.

Yeah. I'm sure that unifying the tangled mess of of 60+ privacy policies for all of Google's services, including the ones that they purchased from others (Youtube, Android, etc...), which probably contained numerous terms contradicting the terms of another one of the policies, into a single, unified privacy policy for all of Google's services has made it MORE confusing for users. rolleyes.gif

Honestly, that is even stupider than the monopoly inquiry. At least with the former, the reasoning isn't based on a circular chain of broken and convoluted logic, but is (somewhat) representative of the European societal values. But the privacy policy thing? It's so obvious that it is much better than the previous system of numerous policies, that any regulatory complaints about it either demonstrates a massively corrupt money grab (coincidence that many Euro countries are on the verge of bankruptcy?), or just sheer stupidity, with both of those two scenarios being equally abhorrent...
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Long story short, Im not sure fining google makes a difference.
The proposed fines are like taking a $20 from a full ATM.

Plus, there are worse privacy concerns than google, they have traditionally been a champion of net neutraility and anonymity...even as they track my movements for targeted marketing. redface.gif
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Plus, there are worse privacy concerns than google, they have traditionally been a champion of net neutraility and anonymity...even as they track my movements for targeted marketing. redface.gif

This.

I feel rather safe using Google products AND blocking any tracking attempts with third party software.

I think our governments should look elsewhere for privacy breaches, even if Google is not completely an angel.
   
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I know, in that particular quote it mentions that the monopoly inquiry is a separate issue.

My apologies, allow me to present an equally ridiculous quote dealing with the main issue:
Yeah. I'm sure that unifying the tangled mess of of 60+ privacy policies for all of Google's services, including the ones that they purchased from others (Youtube, Android, etc...), which probably contained numerous terms contradicting the terms of another one of the policies, into a single, unified privacy policy for all of Google's services has made it MORE confusing for users. rolleyes.gif

Honestly, that is even stupider than the monopoly inquiry. At least with the former, the reasoning isn't based on a circular chain of broken and convoluted logic, but is (somewhat) representative of the European societal values. But the privacy policy thing? It's so obvious that it is much better than the previous system of numerous policies, that any regulatory complaints about it either demonstrates a massively corrupt money grab (coincidence that many Euro countries are on the verge of bankruptcy?), or just sheer stupidity, with both of those two scenarios being equally abhorrent...

I'm sorry but I disagree, Privacy on the internet is an important thing, Among the crazy demands made by the EU is the complete insane idea that a user should be able to have all the information about him removed and deleted at his or hers command IE if you delete your account, the information should be deleted to. Abhorrent enough for you?
 
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Google already knows everything about you. It's kinda late. You are nothing more than math.
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This.

I feel rather safe using Google products AND blocking any tracking attempts with third party software.

I think our governments should look elsewhere for privacy breaches, even if Google is not completely an angel.

I'm going to play both sides here:

You're last line of reasoning is the very thing that leads to monopolies and/or complete removal of any privacy.


On the other hand...going on the internet is like going on the free way and complaining that someone saw you.
     
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On the other hand...going on the internet is like going on the free way and complaining that someone saw you.

This. If you don't want your "privacy" invaded, then just don't use some internet sites. There is no way to completely "secure" or whatever these people want what you put on the internet without completely taking away what makes it, the internet. I doubt google cares what you search on the web, they mostly just use it to enhance their search engine and marketing, which is hardly illegal.

What is it exactly that they are concerned about? Google specifically tells you about location services and how they send data back to google so that they can better enhance the service. Do any of these people know how many billions of people use google each day? There is no way they are going to be wasting their time invading some random dudes privacy. In order to have certain services, you have to "sacrifice" some privacy, if not just don't use google or the internet.
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