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Yeah. I'm sure that unifying the tangled mess of of 60+ privacy policies for all of Google's services, including the ones that they purchased from others (Youtube, Android, etc...), which probably contained numerous terms contradicting the terms of another one of the policies, into a single, unified privacy policy for all of Google's services has made it MORE confusing for users. rolleyes.gif

The real problem is not that Google is unifying all of its privacy policies. The problem is that Google is unifying all of the data it collects:
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Google's intent was to combine user data from the different services, so that videos watched on YouTube would inform the choice of advertising shown when doing Google searches or reading Gmail.

If you use Google to search the Net at work, you may not want it popping up ads related to all of the cute kitty videos you watch in your spare time. Or combining wordlists from your GoogleDocs and Gmail to create an ad profile that will survive the deletion of your tracking cookies. But you don't get to choose, and you don't get to edit the data that gets collected.
    
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I'm sorry but I disagree, Privacy on the internet is an important thing, Among the crazy demands made by the EU is the complete insane idea that a user should be able to have all the information about him removed and deleted at his or hers command IE if you delete your account, the information should be deleted to. Abhorrent enough for you?

You disagree with what, exactly? That having a single privacy policy is less confusing than having over 60 separate privacy policies, which likely contain numerous contradictions? The issue being discussed is not whether or not people should have the ability to remove their data. It's about regulators claiming that the unified privacy policy is more confusing than 60 separate ones. Do you know how long each one probably was? Do you honestly thing the old way was less confusing, particularly when the lines between the different Google services have blurred over time?

I actually would agree that we should be able to remove our data should we wish. That isn't the issue being discussed.
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post #13 of 30
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You disagree with what, exactly? That having a single privacy policy is less confusing than having over 60 separate privacy policies, which likely contain numerous contradictions? The issue being discussed is not whether or not people should have the ability to remove their data. It's about regulators claiming that the unified privacy policy is more confusing than 60 separate ones. Do you know how long each one probably was? Do you honestly thing the old way was less confusing, particularly when the lines between the different Google services have blurred over time?

I actually would agree that we should be able to remove our data should we wish. That isn't the issue being discussed.

They said it could "confuse users and leave them unsure of how their data is being used." This, in reference to how Google's new policy handles data and shares it between sources. It's about the way data is collected and used after the changes made, not about whether it is more or less difficult to read through a single privacy policy or sixty privacy policies. rolleyes.gif
post #14 of 30
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The real problem is not that Google is unifying all of its privacy policies. The problem is that Google is unifying all of the data it collects:
If you use Google to search the Net at work, you may not want it popping up ads related to all of the cute kitty videos you watch in your spare time. Or combining wordlists from your GoogleDocs and Gmail to create an ad profile that will survive the deletion of your tracking cookies. But you don't get to choose, and you don't get to edit the data that gets collected.

You know what you do get to choose? Whether or not you use Google's FREE services. Not only has Google added more services, but existing ones are enhanced on a regular basis. The work that goes into that is not charity.

Yes, they can use their data collected on you from one Google service on another now. So what? It's still the same data they've always had. I'm also not sure of what companies force you to be logged in to your personal Google account when doing a search...
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Why is privacy so important to everyone?

As long as my accounts are secure I don't give a damn if someone knows I go on overclock or pornhub or any site. Your data is anonymous and is used for statistics, using the internet is one of the most private things you can do. Going to the library and reading a book about joining the KKK is much more likely to find you in trouble than using a computer.


If someone wants to use my information to increase their profits I am all for that. It allows for more money to be spent on R&D and increases the amount of total market share allowing more companies to invest.
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As long as my accounts are secure I don't give a damn if someone knows I go on overclock or pornhub or any site. Your data is anonymous and is used for statistics, using the internet is one of the most private things you can do. Going to the library and reading a book about joining the KKK is much more likely to find you in trouble than using a computer.

There is only one thing I hate on the internet.

FBI data mining. Those bastardized dogs are everywhere and they think they're God. That's why I'm concerned about privacy and tracking everywhere, not only my Google accounts.
   
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There is only one thing I hate on the internet.

FBI data mining. Those bastardized dogs are everywhere and they think they're God. That's why I'm concerned about privacy and tracking everywhere, not only my Google accounts.

What are you afraid they will do?
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by W4nderer View Post

You disagree with what, exactly? That having a single privacy policy is less confusing than having over 60 separate privacy policies, which likely contain numerous contradictions? The issue being discussed is not whether or not people should have the ability to remove their data. It's about regulators claiming that the unified privacy policy is more confusing than 60 separate ones. Do you know how long each one probably was? Do you honestly thing the old way was less confusing, particularly when the lines between the different Google services have blurred over time?

I actually would agree that we should be able to remove our data should we wish. That isn't the issue being discussed.


While having 1 privacy policy would make it easier for underdog google and it's pauper users battling against Yahoon it isn't feasible.
The privacy issues faced on the different services differ, sure we could institute a single unified code but that would either be too harsh for google or to lenient for the voters.
 
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If someone wants to use my information to increase their profits I am all for that. It allows for more money to be spent on R&D and increases the amount of total market share allowing more companies to invest.

Right now my ads consist of gardening equipment, I was looking around for a temperature controlled window opener and ordered it, the ads came after the purchase. My next purchase will be books, the ads for books will come after that.

My information yields profits to someone, but it isn't the company selling stuff.
 
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What are you afraid they will do?

Access any information I do not explicitly give them. I do not care if it's my attempts at homemade nuclear bombs, or just cute kittens. It's my information, and they have got no permission to access it.

The 'Distrust' list on my ScriptSafe plugin for Chrome is so large I believe it is probably 100 times the 'Trust' one.
   
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