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That is not the idea or "belief" I was trying to say, at all. But we need to cut corners some where. I am not saying "KILL NASA!" but some things do have to change, in everything whether we like it or not. A example is this article..
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/bill-nye/20130328-a-major-political-victory-for-the-society.html

Please do not get me wrong in this, I am a person who loves science and is going for Nuclear Engineering, I just feel that this honestly is NOT needed right now in the state we are in.
Cutting off the head to save the body is a pretty bad policy. Please, watch the videos I linked on the last page. All three of them.
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That is not the idea or "belief" I was trying to say, at all. But we need to cut corners some where. I am not saying "KILL NASA!" but some things do have to change, in everything whether we like it or not. A example is this article..
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/bill-nye/20130328-a-major-political-victory-for-the-society.html

Please do not get me wrong in this, I am a person who loves science and is going for Nuclear Engineering, I just feel that this honestly is NOT needed right now in the state we are in.

I don't think you do understand then. Like I said, it has nothing to do with "loving science". Understanding our universe is key to developing new technologies, and that knowledge can be obtained through space travel... not to mention the advancements gained from developing new ways to get there... and the infinite value that access to materials readily available in space will bring.

You can argue that NASA could spend it's funding better, but you can't argue that money spent on pretty much any space program is waste that can be cut.

The key to eventually getting out of the financial mess you're so worried about is NOT cutting programs that look to the future, like NASA. I also think more money should be given to encourage private enterprise, like SpaceX.

Listen man, you need to understand... This is his opinion. He believes that the current economic crisis (that we have been in forever anyways) could simply be helped by cutting funding to most unnecessary programs. While I for one, disagree whole heatedly, it is his opinion and does have merit. Yes, these things do cost money and in turn make new tech. that can be profited from just as an investment, it is non-necessitous.

I do believe that many things need to be cut, and I understand if NASA is something that people can agree on. We need to free up the budget, and realistically, no poli. is going to vote to downsize the military force, especially a majority. Honestly, I think many help programs need to be cut for a while. Hell, cut police force and let us fend for ourselves, I would prefer we spend less on 'defense', but apparently that isn't an option.
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That is not the idea or "belief" I was trying to say, at all. But we need to cut corners some where. I am not saying "KILL NASA!" but some things do have to change, in everything whether we like it or not. A example is this article..
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/bill-nye/20130328-a-major-political-victory-for-the-society.html

Please do not get me wrong in this, I am a person who loves science and is going for Nuclear Engineering, I just feel that this honestly is NOT needed right now in the state we are in.
Cutting off the head to save the body is a pretty bad policy. Please, watch the videos I linked on the last page. All three of them.

No offence mate, but quoting videos about not cutting funding to the sciences that feature these people is like only quoting Bruce Springsteen when arguing gun control.
Edited by Bridden - 4/2/13 at 6:24pm
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Listen man, you need to understand... This is his opinion. He believes that the current economic crisis (that we have been in forever anyways) could simply be helped by cutting funding to most unnecessary programs. While I for one, disagree whole heatedly, it is his opinion and does have merit. Yes, these things do cost money and in turn make new tech. that can be profited from just as an investment, it is non-necessitous.

I do believe that many things need to be cut, and I understand if NASA is something that people can agree on. We need to free up the budget, and realistically, no poli. is going to vote to downsize the military force, especially a majority. Honestly, I think many help programs need to be cut for a while. Hell, cut police force and let us fend for ourselves, I would prefer we spend less on 'defense', but apparently that isn't an option.

Cutting NASA's budget makes us loose money, and is a terrible idea when you're facing drawn out budget shortfalls. It is a terrible choice economically. Very minor short term economic gain for long term losses are exactly the type of thing we can't afford.
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Hmm, Impressive. Damn it Russia get your Economy together! I swear it's like they are preparing for WW3. So much money spend researching Military Power but not enough into this subject.
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Cutting NASA's budget makes us loose money, and is a terrible idea when you're facing drawn out budget shortfalls. It is a terrible choice economically. Very minor short term economic gain for long term losses are exactly the type of thing we can't afford.

Yup. NASAs budget goes straight into the pockets of subcontractors that they hire and gets put right back into the economy. Factor in the multiplier and you can see how government spending like that which goes to NASA helps the economy. It's a miniscule burden as far as the deficit is concerned and it maintains employment and contributes to GDP.
    
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Cutting NASA's budget makes us loose money, and is a terrible idea when you're facing drawn out budget shortfalls. It is a terrible choice economically. Very minor short term economic gain for long term losses are exactly the type of thing we can't afford.

Yup. NASAs budget goes straight into the pockets of subcontractors that they hire and gets put right back into the economy. Factor in the multiplier and you can see how government spending like that which goes to NASA helps the economy. It's a miniscule burden as far as the deficit is concerned and it maintains employment and contributes to GDP.

We are more focused on the 'budget crisis' than the economy.

Once again, people that are going after me, I am against cutting funding for the sciences, I was merely pointing out that an opinion is never wrong in their own eyes. Just learn to look at this from other lights. His opinion is that cutting funding for NASA would put a little (VERY little may I add) wiggle room in the budget for short term, which is true, regardless of if it is the right thing to do. (once again, it isn't)

EDIT: Sidenote, why is NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE ARTICLE?!

How about the fact that we have been sitting on all but functional NTRs for several decades, but had been scrapped for MUCH less efficient tech. Anyone want to talk about the test of them purposely detonating one of them to see what kind off fallout would result? How about this little quote here.
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above-ground nuclear testing has been universally banned since the last time NASA tinkered with NTR

Anyone actually interested in the article?
Edited by Bridden - 4/2/13 at 6:49pm
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Funny. I wrote a synthesis essay in AP lang & comp today that had to do with this a bit :
I was with cutting NASA's budget because sure it is cool and all with this, but in the state America is we do not need to put money in unnecessary places, like space exploration. We can wait 10, 25 or even 50 years when we are in a proper financial situation and go into space and actually do something more then what we have done in the past. Just my 2cents.gif...
PS. I do understand the small number NASA is with the federal government spending, but that could be put else where or into the massive debt.

Better to space than bank bailouts though ... guess where all that money went.thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

We need less handouts and more money investment back into the economy.

edit: To put it into perspective, PhD engineers & technicians getting laid off with a very NARROW field of expertise means they're pretty SOL. Bankers / businessmen getting laid off just means they go do somewhere cooking the books for business.
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How about the fact that we have been sitting on all but functional NTRs for several decades, but had been scrapped for MUCH less efficient tech. Anyone want to talk about the test of them purposely detonating one of them to see what kind off fallout would result? How about this little quote here.
Anyone actually interested in the article?

Overall, I think it may have been a good thing they canned these in the 70's. I feel like there would have been an accident sooner or later, given the lack of powerful computer simulations we have available today. While it wouldn't be anything like a nuclear bomb falling and exploding, it could have grounded the practice for good... maybe by waiting we have a better chance to do it permanently.
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If they could just make the fuel on the moon it would be ideal. Sending a rocket from the equator is like lighting a bottle rocket from the bottom of a 10' pool.
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We are more focused on the 'budget crisis' than the economy.

Anyone with a bit of macroecon knowledge would tell you that they go hand in hand.
    
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