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oh look, even more data to lose.

If you're using >1TB for storage, RAID 1 or go home. I use RAID 0 w/ 2 WD 1TB blacks, and keep my docs and stuff backed up on an external; I can always re-DL my steam games.

RAID 6 is a much better option once you start hitting 4 drives, and it becomes more efficient once you hit 5. Everyone should definitely avoid RAID 5 with drives this big, though.
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oh look, even more data to lose.

If you're using >1TB for storage, RAID 1 or go home. I use RAID 0 w/ 2 WD 1TB blacks, and keep my docs and stuff backed up on an external; I can always re-DL my steam games.

Raid 1 is useless for consumers. If you get a virus / corrupted files, your 'backup' is completely trash. You are much better off partitioning your data, Games on drive 1, Docs on drive 2. you get better performance, and worst case, you only lose half your data.

Take it one step further, short stroke both drives to 500GB (performance gain).

Or, two 500GB partitions per drive, one for data one for backup (of alternate drive), similar effect to short stroking as you rarely use the top half, so disk head moves less.

Raid is good however in enterprise, where 100% uptime / reliability is key (hot swap dead drives).
Edited by kevinf - 4/2/13 at 8:39pm
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4TB? Not enough nowadays. 10TB hdd is what I want. thumb.gif

Im more interested in speed rather than space...
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Now it's just a waiting game until Western Digital releases the same drive. Seagate technology, Western Digital reputation. Best of both world TBH... I'll buy 10 and put them in my NAS biggrin.gif

Exactly, I don't get this fanboyism that occurs with HDDs... Certainly when one maker is going through a golden period, with fast, reliable drives but normally they're equal, occasionally having bad periods.
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oh look, even more data to lose.

If you're using >1TB for storage, RAID 1 or go home. I use RAID 0 w/ 2 WD 1TB blacks, and keep my docs and stuff backed up on an external; I can always re-DL my steam games.

I have 52GB free storage on dropbox, I've got all of my important stuff in that, even a few of my more important game save files too, anything else I can just rerip, redownload or reinstall. RAID1 is pretty crappy for when you want to bulk buy drives, honestly, I'd rather buy 4-6 of these puppies and RAID6 then for 8-16TB of reliable storage, the read speed increase is also nice.
    
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I've yet to fill up my 1TB storage drive... Am I doing something wrong? confused.gif

I almost never fill 250GB 2.5" HDD's, and my current laptop has a 640GB HDD in it, so don't feel bad tongue.gif
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I can see why some may need this size drive but I would never put all my eggs in one basket. 4GB is one hell of of a loss if failed redface.gif
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WD blacks are worth the extra money, due to the warranty, IMHO.

dunx

P.S. but I need one of these NOW ! biggrin.gif
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Weird, I have four of these drives since 13th February. They are the same model number (ST4000DM000).They just started shipping !! headscratch.gif
So far so good and they run a bit cooler than the older 3TB ST3000DM001.
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I guess this is what seagate achieved from buying Samsungs HDD division.
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Raid 1 is useless for consumers. If you get a virus / corrupted files, your 'backup' is completely trash. You are much better off partitioning your data, Games on drive 1, Docs on drive 2. you get better performance, and worst case, you only lose half your data.

Take it one step further, short stroke both drives to 500GB (performance gain).

Or, two 500GB partitions per drive, one for data one for backup (of alternate drive), similar effect to short stroking as you rarely use the top half, so disk head moves less.

Raid is good however in enterprise, where 100% uptime / reliability is key (hot swap dead drives).

Short stroking achieves nothing. It's one of the stupidest things people still commonly do to their computers around here. You aren't gaining any performance, you're just removing the slower part of the drive (which isn't used anyway until the fast part fills up, assuming you defrag once in a blue moon and don't download and subsequently delete the entire internet every night... and if you DO do that, you probably need the storage capacity in the first place!).

Effectively, all you are doing is removing storage capacity and denying yourself the option to use it, where as if you don't shortstroke, and just don't fill your drive, you would still have all the benefits of shortstroking without cutting off any options.



As for RAID 1, it is far from useless. When you have 4TB of data on a single drive, that is a lot to lose suddenly from mechanical failure if when it happens. Even if you have ALL of it backed up (which you should, but statistically speaking the larger your drive, the less likely you are to back it up), it's going to take quite a while to restore that much data.

Partitioning the drive doesn't do anything at all to prevent mechanical failure, so I'm not sure where you got that silly notion, but it's wrong. Your drive fails, every partition on it goes with it.

Now, are there better forms of RAID? Sure, IF you have a RAID card AND more than 3 drives. If you're limited to 2 drives due to space or cost, and/or you are using the RAID controller built into your motherboard chipset, RAID 1 is a good choice because of it's low drive count requirement, and extremely simplistic design (which is hard for even onboard RAID controllers to screw up).Most onboards can't even do RAID 6, and I wouldn't trust them to do 5. 10 is viable, but that requires twice as many drives.
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