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It isn't as simple as that, because you have the honest guys who see 10-12$ a month for the show as kind of overkill and get the subscription to HBO just for that. If you start offering a service which breaks the commercial model, the model is completely shattered and it won't work anywhere.

You have people who are pissed now, but the lack of choice for any other way to get the content in the near future keeps people in line. You start to offer the brand new content right NOW and you won't be able to sell the rest of your "meh" content from the subscription. People will cherry pick the shows they want, and content providers will not be able to survive with less money coming in.

I understand the desire to get the content now, and the annoyance at the antiquated and slow release process. But the truth of the matter is we are in the death throes of the previous model, but the companies will not change their ways until their current top down content control strategy finally stops being effective.

so hbo should charge a monthly online fee for access to their content instead (it could be the same fee they charge to add hbo to your cable bill). that doesn't hurt anyone besides the cable companies, actually it would probably be very profitable for hbo
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so hbo should charge a monthly online fee for access to their content instead (it could be the same fee they charge to add hbo to your cable bill). that doesn't hurt anyone besides the cable companies, actually it would probably be very profitable for hbo

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Um, and you think HBO would survive that move? They are a company which operates between a rock and a hard place, if they screw anyone around them out of dollars they will be flattened like a bug. HBO is a parasite to the cable industry and the film industry. It is a very symbiotic relationship they share, but they are the grease between two moving parts, if they do anything that majorly hurts either of their dependencies then they jeopardize their own existence as a company.

HBO and every other premium channel company will continue to operate the way it is now until the cable companies and the film industry are ready to move on to a different medium.
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Um, and you think HBO would survive that move? They are a company which operates between a rock and a hard place, if they screw anyone around them out of dollars they will be flattened like a bug. HBO is a parasite to the cable industry and the film industry. It is a very symbiotic relationship they share, but they are the grease between two moving parts, if they do anything that majorly hurts either of their dependencies then they jeopardize their own existence as a company.

HBO and every other premium channel company will continue to operate the way it is now until the cable companies and the film industry are ready to move on to a different medium.

Well there are a few Internet TV companies trying to get started up right now...I believe Intel was even talking about starting one themselves. HBO could get on board with them.

There is just going to come a time when the actual production studios are going to have to split off from the Cable companies. They will never change their ways. They would rather go bankrupt than give the customers what they truly want. I just moved to a new house and we did not move the Satellite service. We are using Internet TV (Free Hulu + Netflix Streaming) and I thought my wife and kids would hate it...but so far it is working great. I feel really happy to finally be free of the TV yoke.
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Well there are a few Internet TV companies trying to get started up right now...I believe Intel was even talking about starting one themselves. HBO could get on board with them.

There is just going to come a time when the actual production studios are going to have to split off from the Cable companies. They will never change their ways. They would rather go bankrupt than give the customers what they truly want. I just moved to a new house and we did not move the Satellite service. We are using Internet TV (Free Hulu + Netflix Streaming) and I thought my wife and kids would hate it...but so far it is working great. I feel really happy to finally be free of the TV yoke.

Intel might actually get a crack at it, and amazon might have enough money to take a legitimate shot.

Unfortunately, I see anyone else trying would be buried by big money. Netflix is already a pale shadow of what it once was, and it will continue to decline as the content providers and the cable industry continue to work together to keep everyone else out of the content distribution business.

To reiterate, as you seem to think I believe the cable companies are innovating, they are continuing to destroy any legitimate competition which enters the market, much like Honeywell with thermostats. The change will only happen when they lose so much market share they are not able to force competition out of the market with their lawyers. And the only reason they would be able to compete would be they have a good enough product to generate enough money to fight off the cable companies.
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Intel might actually get a crack at it, and amazon might have enough money to take a legitimate shot.

Unfortunately, I see anyone else trying would be buried by big money. Netflix is already a pale shadow of what it once was, and it will continue to decline as the content providers and the cable industry continue to work together to keep everyone else out of the content distribution business.

To reiterate, as you seem to think I believe the cable companies are innovating, they are continuing to destroy any legitimate competition which enters the market, much like Honeywell with thermostats. The change will only happen when they lose so much market share they are not able to force competition out of the market with their lawyers. And the only reason they would be able to compete would be they have a good enough product to generate enough money to fight off the cable companies.

I was just saying that HBO and other studios might have other options than the traditional TV companies in the very near future. They could get on board with them...and what would the cable companies do? Refuse to broadcast them unless they stopped using the other service? Their customers would be in uproar and it would do nothing but ensure Internet TV success.

The only really sucky thing is that the darn cable companies are most often the ISPs...I am grinning knowing that Charter Internet is also providing me with the TV service they charge $80+ a month for. However, if it got too rampant they'd start sucking in the bandwidth belts and have lower data caps. So I am sure they'd win in the end...even the DSL providers are often partnered with the Satellite companies.
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Everyone pirating probably doesn't have HBO, and thus HBO doesn't get that money. I'm not sure the exact licencing agreement each cable provider makes with HBO, but I would bet number of subscriptions plays a big role in it. If you already have HBO, you would just use HBO Go or your DVR, and not bother with piracy.

And you are only factoring the US, alone. The reality is that many people worldwide want to see the episodes as soon as they are released (and in OV... or OVS)... but can't, which makes it even more normal to see such a record.


@Vagrant Storm: they could do it like Steam does. Pre-load the content, pay, and watch it the minute the NDA is lifted.

It would be conveniant for everyone, and people would gladly pay for an HD copy.
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post #127 of 237
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And you are only factoring the US, alone. The reality is that many people worldwide want to see the episodes as soon as they are released (and in OV... or OVS)... but can't, which makes it even more normal to see such a record.


@Vagrant Storm: they could do it like Steam does. Pre-load the content, pay, and watch it the minute the NDA is lifted.

It would be conveniant for everyone, and people would gladly pay for an HD copy.

I would pay $0.99 for a HD 720p copy I can keep. Saves buying a DVD later biggrin.gif
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I have HBO. The convenience of a DVR, 1080p movies On Demand from my TV, Computer, or Phone is worth $18 a month to me.
I don't see the point in paying $150 for 50Mb/s Internet, then deal with torrents, when I can spend less and have HD content at literally the push of a button when I want it, practically wherever I want it.

Internet is grand and all but it is also a hassle. I got movies to watch, not links to sort!
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thing is if google were to buy sony (17bil usd market capitalization), all this mpaa anti piracy nonsense would end once and for all, as they are the major driving force behind it
sony was once great company but when they bought columbia pictures and records instead to capitalize on it they restricted their products and so customers left. and now they continue to harass their customers. no wonder people go samsung. samsung knows they can push media, but they have seen the fate of sony. as they say, wise man learns from mistakes of others, fool from his own. yet is seems that "city never sleeps" and sony never learns smile.gif

also game of thrones is great. when i red synopsis on wikipedia i wasnt impressed but when i started to read the books i got hooked. you have to love tyrion smile.gif

best
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I get why there are issues with the downloading of movies and music as there is a cost associated with viewing or owning them.

TV shows though? I have a PVR (several actually) and routinely record shows (such as game of thrones) for later viewing. Since there is no cost associated with watching a tv show (other than the subscription cost for the given network), I fail to see why producers would care if it were downloaded.

I don't endorse any kind of piracy, I just have trouble understanding how a show that is not PPV, a movie or music in content can actually be pirated. Maybe the networks would have an issue with it, but the producers?

HBO subscriptions fund the show's budget. People who subscribe to HBO can access any HBO program/show/episode on demand in high definition at any time. The people pirating it are the ones who don't subscribe to HBO, and thus provide no compensation for the production of the show.
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