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If you think piracy isn't theft, do you also think copying written works without citation isn't plagiarism?

Plagiarism is presenting somebody else's work as your own. What does that have in common with downloading a movie for personal viewing (no profit)?

Unless you pirate a movie and present it as your own work (if that's even possible), you aren't plagiarizing in any way.
 
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If you think piracy isn't theft, do you also think copying written works without citation isn't plagiarism?

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Piracy isn't theft. It's piracy.
  • Theft: Theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it.
  • Piracy (digital): The copyright infringement of software (often referred to as software piracy) refers to several practices which involve the unauthorized copying of computer software.

It's not theft, but it is stealing. It doesn't matter what you call it. Some people seem to think they aren't doing anything wrong, which is absurd.
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It's not theft, but it is stealing. Some people seem to think they aren't doing anything wrong, which is absurd.

Theft and stealing are the same thing.

But, as the original still exists, piracy can't be defined as something it isn't. At best, it's copying something that you have no legitimate rights to copy. The keyword is COPY.
 
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Theft and stealing are the same thing.

But, as the original still exists, piracy can't be defined as something it isn't. At best, it's copying something that you have no legitimate rights to copy. The keyword is COPY.

The point is it doesn't make any difference, it's just another name for the same thing. It doesn't really cost Comcast anything different to show the HBO channels vs basic cable. Just because they are selling something that's digital doesn't mean it's not "stealing" to take it without paying.

You can pirate anyways, just don't think that you aren't doing anything wrong tongue.gif. Especially not by trying to hide behind definitions.
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It's not theft, but it is stealing. It doesn't matter what you call it. Some people seem to think they aren't doing anything wrong, which is absurd.

if it is impossible to purchase a product, are you acting unethically at that point?
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The point is it doesn't make any difference, it's just another name for the same thing. It doesn't really cost Comcast anything different to show the HBO channels vs basic cable. Just because they are selling something that's digital doesn't mean it's not "stealing" to take it without paying.

You can pirate anyways, just don't think that you aren't doing anything wrong tongue.gif. Especially not by trying to hide behind definitions.

I'm not pirating anything. So, nice assumption.

You are applying a definition to something where it does not apply. Piracy is piracy. Theft is theft.

Blue is blue, blue is not red.
 
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And to be technical, it wasn't even a crime to copy something, anything, for personal use in the U.S. until 1997.
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And to be technical, it wasn't even a crime to copy something, anything, for personal use in the U.S. until 1997.

Still holds true, as long as you destroy the copy within a specific amount of time. Roms aren't illegal in this aspect, as long as you delete them within (I believe) 48 hours? You can also copy movies, films, off the same premise as TV shows. Just you cannot share or distribute them in any manor, the copy is strictly yours for personal use.

The problem is, nobody follows the rules to the T. So I don't believe many people would fall under "legally abiding" in that aspect. It's still possible. One of my ol' Psych teachers torrented a movie, under one of the education laws. I don't remember, though he did it legally (apparently). I guess you are allowed to copy and distribute under education as long as you do it for education. Such as using the said movie to teach a lesson or help students learn, as long as it isn't entertainment.

Laws are weird, so when you get into piracy it isn't exactly black and white. One of the reasons why you don't see too many anti-piracy laws about media. Music was a big thing, the industry only had so much money to throw at it. They lost their edge when the money started running dry, because in the end it is very hard to persecute those who might fall under the grey area. Software is a lot less grey, as it isn't found naturally. When I say naturally, songs are played on the radio and shows are on TV for you to view or hear for free. If that happens, it's much harder to act against the said media in the name of piracy, as apposed to software distributed via specific channels. Those channels are (generally) paid for, in which the public doesn't get free access to the content. The content is given under a specific TOS/EULA which usually gives specific guidelines as to what you can do with it.
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Actually, you can't steal something that doesn't exist in your country. I won't bother to watch something if it ain't in english. It's like cinema: it isn't in english, so I don't bother... but, later on, I seldom buy movies and I rent some to watch at home (IN ENGLISH).

Like I said, piracy is not a price problem, not most of the time. Its a service one: the irony comes when the "free stuff" is actually BETTER, is more convenient and, obviously, is free. If companies want to combat piracy (they have the right to do so, since it's their property anyway) they need to understand how people thinks, and how things work.

It's like DRM: does anybody here think that DRM's help? They simply don't.
a) DRM has a cost.
b) DRM will be a hindrance to your legit customers.
c) The pirates will still get the product without DRM AND free.

Lesson? The legit customer gets to pay the price... which is STUPID. On the other hand, though, we have the games that require complex always-on systems that make pirating almost impossible, but...
a) They have proven to be a disaster many times (Simcity and Diablo 3)
b) They also put a hindrance on the legit customers.
c) They cost A LOT OF MONEY
d) They create a terrible corporate image.
e) They don't guarantee any kind of sales.

All in all, the only real things of doing business is...
a) Show to your customers that you care.
b) Don't put any DRM **** on your games.
c) If the game doesn't sell.. blame yourself, not the others.

Life is terribly simple this days.

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Regarding Got: would I pay to see every episode on airing at a decent quality? Sure I would. Can I? Nope.

Dude I hear you on absolutely everything you are saying.

Like I said earlier though existence doesn't entitle you to copyrighted material which when you strip away all your (legit) arguments about DRM that's basically what you are saying. Hypothetically if you were pirating this show would I have an issue with it? Of course not. Does that change the fact that you are stealing? Of course not.

The argument about an actual physical item involved is irrelevant imo and just serves to cloud the issue. Call it whatever you want. Hiding behind a definition isn't doing anyone any good. There's a ton of ways to help fix issues like this that hopefully will be looked at in the future. Arguing over what basically boils down to semantics is pointless.
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