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Like they are related rolleyes.gif When copying written works I'm depriving somebody from their work... because I'm calling it mine. THAT is theft.
It's not stealing. Theft is an illegal activity in here, downloading stuff from the internet simply isn't.
And it still isn't in some countresi.
It isn't pointless. Theft involves two parties:

a) One, that gets a good (tangible or not) fro free.
b) The other one, that loses such good, in favor of the other party.

When pirating, nobody is losing anything. One party gets it for free, the other loses nothing.
Theft is not about depriving the seller of the benefits of the bargain, theft deprives them of the their PROPERTY. In the US the legal system is so terrible that the punishment for downloading a song on the internet is A LOT HIGHER, than robbing some DVD's on a store (whereas on the former the owner didn't lose his property, and thus there aren't any legal loses and, on the latter, the owner did lose his property and, then, had loses).

This is not about making things the way you want them to be, it's about what they are. Piracy doesn't directly involve any loses, theft does.
It isn't. For instance, punishment for downloading songs is a lot higher than for stealing the goods in a store. On the other hand, downloading on the internet didn't deprive anybody from anything.

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Also, as far as I'm concerned this is an international forum. Try to realise that not everything is the US. In here I can legally share anything digital so long as I don't profit directly from it (aka, I don't own a web that contents any links regarding such content).

Still, one of the main issues in the US is that the legal costs are so high that people will bend over anything. If a company sent me a notice about having to pay 1.000€ or going to court... I'd gladly go to court. If I win, my costs are 0. On the other hand, in the US the legal costs might offset anything you might win, which is why people won't legally fight and just bend or bow.... but this ain't about who is right, this is about who has more money to oppose to those who put the rules.

Just think about it, why do you think companies send legal notes? Simply because they want to cash-in. It's extorsion: they should simply sue you, so that there is some sort of due process and not do this pathetic thing they do.

PS: still, regarding piracy, I keep my stance. I way for what I consume, as long as I have the chance to pay for it. There is nothing to be lost when there is nothing to be bought, if you get what I mean (regarding things I couldn't purchase even If I wanted to due to not being available to me).

This guy has it perfectly correct.

People who live and study in these conditions have no way of buying any piece of software, especially as their parents can barely afford their education in the first place. When someone like this downloads a piece of software, music or film isn't causing a lost sale because they simply can't afford it. If you don't understand this you have no clue how digital content sales work.

If you are an expert in economics and management please come tell this lovely grandmother that she has to buy Windows simply because those managers, the CEO and shareholders will otherwise starve to death.
Edited by Liranan - 4/6/13 at 9:26am
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For instance, punishment for downloading songs is a lot higher than for stealing the goods in a store. On the other hand, downloading on the internet didn't deprive anybody from anything.

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Common misconception there. I don't think any fines have been handed out for downloading songs.

When you use torrents, you are UPLOADING the songs around to hundreds or thousands of people, especially if you don't understand computers and don't even know it's doing it. The big fines are because you can slap someone with hundreds of counts of distribution. Same is true with the older Kazaa/limewire systems. If you don't upload at all, you are not eligible for the large fines.
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I really don't see how media (be it digital or otherwise) can not be seen as property. Regardless of its physical presence it has value and if it is used, taken, shared etc there is still the notion of a loss associated with it. Granted the act doesn't match the legal definition of theft, though this doesn't inherently suggest that no loss is experienced. People are gaining some level of entertainment off of the work and money of others without paying for it when in just about any other scenario there would be some form of monetary reimbursement for the provider of the entertainment.
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I really don't see how media (be it digital or otherwise) can not be seen as property. Regardless of its physical presence it has value and if it is used, taken, shared etc there is still the notion of a loss associated with it. Granted the act doesn't match the legal definition of theft, though this doesn't inherently suggest that no loss is experienced. People are gaining some level of entertainment off of the work and money of others without paying for it when in just about any other scenario there would be some form of monetary reimbursement for the provider of the entertainment.
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I really don't see how media (be it digital or otherwise) can not be seen as property. Regardless of its physical presence it has value and if it is used, taken, shared etc there is still the notion of a loss associated with it. Granted the act doesn't match the legal definition of theft, though this doesn't inherently suggest that no loss is experienced. People are gaining some level of entertainment off of the work and money of others without paying for it when in just about any other scenario there would be some form of monetary reimbursement for the provider of the entertainment.
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Would still be far less than 50 euros even with including basic cable. No idea why you would be including basic cable in that price. I've known 1 person in my life who didn't have at least basic cable.

Hi nice to meet you, I haven't had any tv services for years. That model is far too outdated for me.
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