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How about, if you don't like the crap that comes with being a publicly traded company, don't be a publicly traded company. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Axon14 View Post

This is a statement designed to protect stock value. Even if the chip runs a little hot or with a little more TDP, people will still buy it for its performance.

A handful of people might, but if it's not lower power than Ivy, it will have little advantage in the mobile space, especially the performance sector which will be supplementing it with dedicated graphics anyway.

I've been holding out on buying a laptop in anticipation of Haswell, but if it doesn't give me significantly more performance per watt, there is zero reason for me not to buy a marginally cheaper Ivy instead.
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I can tell you I wouldn't want to be buying the first retail stepping of Haswell. Let's just say a lot of exceptions are being made to get the product out the door on schedule...

Yep, never buy first batch.
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didn't intel offer exchanges from c2 to c3 steppings with sb-e?
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A handful of people might, but if it's not lower power than Ivy, it will have little advantage in the mobile space, especially the performance sector which will be supplementing it with dedicated graphics anyway.

I've been holding out on buying a laptop in anticipation of Haswell, but if it doesn't give me significantly more performance per watt, there is zero reason for me not to buy a marginally cheaper Ivy instead.

in fact you're better off not dealing with the USB issues supposedly present in Haswell, by buying Ivy bridge.
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How about, if you don't like the crap that comes with being a publicly traded company, don't be a publicly traded company. rolleyes.gif

Yeah i wish the AMD and Intel went private :I would be nice push to get competition going again
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

in fact you're better off not dealing with the USB issues supposedly present in Haswell, by buying Ivy bridge.

Haswell have a new Sleep State called S0iX, thus they can be completely avoid that S3 Sleep USB3.0 Bug.
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The solution is connected standby or active idle, a feature supported both by Haswell and Clovertrail as well as all of the currently shipping ARM based smartphones and tablets. Today, transitioning into S3 sleep is initiated by closing the lid on your notebook or telling the OS to go to sleep. In Haswell (and Clovertrail), Intel introduced a new S0ix active idle state (there are multiple active idle states, e.g. S0i1, S0i3). These states promise to deliver the same power consumption as S3 sleep, but with a quick enough wake up time to get back into full S0 should you need to do something with your device.

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Yep, never buy first batch.

To sad I can confirm it. My little i7 can do only max. 4,6 Ghz. But new IBs seems great Cpus after all.
I´m very excited about the Haswell anyways. Not that i want to upgrade.. just to to see how it goes with it. It could be possible that there are some issues. Maybe only for overclockers or with the temperatures through the higher TDP. IB was already extremly hot.

Maybe i will upgrade 2014 or wait for broadwell biggrin.gif
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To sad I can confirm it. My little i7 can do only max. 4,6 Ghz. But new IBs seems great Cpus after all.
I´m very excited about the Haswell anyways. Not that i want to upgrade.. just to to see how it goes with it. It could be possible that there are some issues. Maybe only for overclockers or with the temperatures through the higher TDP. IB was already extremly hot.

Maybe i will upgrade 2014 or wait for broadwell biggrin.gif

There is not a problem. The high temps were caused by the IHS/TIM, it had nothing to do with the actual heat produced by the die.
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There is not a problem. The high temps were caused by the IHS/TIM, it had nothing to do with the actual heat produced by the die.

I'm going to be nitpicky, and say that the TIM was only responsible for high temps under hefty overclocks/already high stock temperatures.

The core density was responsible for a large portion of the increased temperature.
   
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