Originally Posted by Stay Puft
C0 920's could do 4Ghz. Batches back then were all over the place. My day 1 release 920 did 4.2Ghz at 1.3xx. I cant remember the exact voltage but it wasnt too terribly high. The problem back then was good X58 boards that didnt cost a fortune. Not mine but the C0 wasnt that bad
It took 1.55v for my C0 i7 920 to hit 3.97ghz (I could never break 4ghz). Needless to say that chip doesn't quite run as well as it used to anymore. And then the D0 guys showed up and walked all over me at a lot less voltage.
However, when the early review samples are showing issues, the first stepping is going to have issues. Yes, it's a review sample, but it takes around 6 months (if I remember correctly, it may take longer) to make a change to a chip and then fab it. There is room for some improvement, but it's mostly left to software fixes, and there's only so much you can do with that.
The early leaks are usually somewhat right. I have no doubt I have to remind people about Phenom 1 and Bulldozer leaks which were horrible omens, but even Prescott had some bad leaks: http://www.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?148549-Finally-a-Prescott-leak
Nothing has changed. Intel leak showing Intel not doing well, either everyone goes into denial or something bad about AMD gets brought up and then discussed.
Looks like no one's changed how they react to bad Intel news in 10 years. If Haswell was, quite honestly, going to be good, we would know by now with only a few months until Haswell drops.
"ITS NOT OPTIMIZED YET! DRIVERS BIOS NOT FINAL SILICON!!!" is basically panic mode and it's definitely not the first time I've heard anything like that from Intel, Nvidia, or AMD before they released a turd. What do you guys expect? That Intel will go "oh crap our new power delivery system isn't that good, don't worry we can change it 8 weeks before product launch by redesigning parts of the chip and then refabbing it"?