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Ugh, those slides are from a prototype VRM that was presented years ago, and have nothing to do with Haswell.
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So Haswell Has... Well, Power issues?
When they get released, i should buy a Haswell Haswell.
If only Intel could make good chips Haswell as be cost efficient.

Sorry, I'll stop now. wink.gif
post #34 of 64
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C0 920's could do 4Ghz. Batches back then were all over the place. My day 1 release 920 did 4.2Ghz at 1.3xx. I cant remember the exact voltage but it wasnt too terribly high. The problem back then was good X58 boards that didnt cost a fortune. Not mine but the C0 wasnt that bad

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It took 1.55v for my C0 i7 920 to hit 3.97ghz (I could never break 4ghz). Needless to say that chip doesn't quite run as well as it used to anymore. And then the D0 guys showed up and walked all over me at a lot less voltage.

However, when the early review samples are showing issues, the first stepping is going to have issues. Yes, it's a review sample, but it takes around 6 months (if I remember correctly, it may take longer) to make a change to a chip and then fab it. There is room for some improvement, but it's mostly left to software fixes, and there's only so much you can do with that.

The early leaks are usually somewhat right. I have no doubt I have to remind people about Phenom 1 and Bulldozer leaks which were horrible omens, but even Prescott had some bad leaks: http://www.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?148549-Finally-a-Prescott-leak

Nothing has changed. Intel leak showing Intel not doing well, either everyone goes into denial or something bad about AMD gets brought up and then discussed.

Looks like no one's changed how they react to bad Intel news in 10 years. If Haswell was, quite honestly, going to be good, we would know by now with only a few months until Haswell drops.

"ITS NOT OPTIMIZED YET! DRIVERS BIOS NOT FINAL SILICON!!!" is basically panic mode and it's definitely not the first time I've heard anything like that from Intel, Nvidia, or AMD before they released a turd. What do you guys expect? That Intel will go "oh crap our new power delivery system isn't that good, don't worry we can change it 8 weeks before product launch by redesigning parts of the chip and then refabbing it"?
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"ITS NOT OPTIMIZED YET! DRIVERS BIOS NOT FINAL SILICON!!!" is basically panic mode and it's definitely not the first time I've heard anything like that from Intel, Nvidia, or AMD before they released a turd.

Sounds like Bulldozer to me.
   
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Sounds like Bulldozer to me.


Yes that's exactly what it sounds like. We'll of course have to wait but the red flags have gone up that haswell may not be that good. They don't start screaming those types of "its not final silicon" words unless the performance is not as good as their marketing guys have spouted.
 
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I'd go for upgrade in late July, thus I'd know correct results already.
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It took 1.55v for my C0 i7 920 to hit 3.97ghz (I could never break 4ghz). Needless to say that chip doesn't quite run as well as it used to anymore. And then the D0 guys showed up and walked all over me at a lot less voltage.

However, when the early review samples are showing issues, the first stepping is going to have issues. Yes, it's a review sample, but it takes around 6 months (if I remember correctly, it may take longer) to make a change to a chip and then fab it. There is room for some improvement, but it's mostly left to software fixes, and there's only so much you can do with that.

The early leaks are usually somewhat right. I have no doubt I have to remind people about Phenom 1 and Bulldozer leaks which were horrible omens, but even Prescott had some bad leaks: http://www.hardwarecentral.com/showthread.php?148549-Finally-a-Prescott-leak

Nothing has changed. Intel leak showing Intel not doing well, either everyone goes into denial or something bad about AMD gets brought up and then discussed.

Looks like no one's changed how they react to bad Intel news in 10 years. If Haswell was, quite honestly, going to be good, we would know by now with only a few months until Haswell drops.

"ITS NOT OPTIMIZED YET! DRIVERS BIOS NOT FINAL SILICON!!!" is basically panic mode and it's definitely not the first time I've heard anything like that from Intel, Nvidia, or AMD before they released a turd. What do you guys expect? That Intel will go "oh crap our new power delivery system isn't that good, don't worry we can change it 8 weeks before product launch by redesigning parts of the chip and then refabbing it"?

Back then I was into binning. Out of 5 c0 920s only 1 couldn't do 4ghz. One stopped at 3.8 and would go no higher
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Back then I was into binning. Out of 5 c0 920s only 1 couldn't do 4ghz. One stopped at 3.8 and would go no higher

It will be interesting to see how Haswell overclocks compared to its predecessors.
 
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There was a thread here ,we then discussed about the on die VRM and many said it s a good thing to have.

It seems it is not and that the first line of chips will most probable under-perform ,heat up and suck more from the outlet.
Overclocking wise they will be very limited as well in spite of the expectations.

I really want to see who will buy this expensive chips to have less than with previous generation.
Opposed to Bulldozers this ones will not be cheap and no one will be able to upgrade just the chip ,new socket and such

As no AMD fanboy will buy them (new AMD chips around the corner) and many Intel users (used with more performance with every new series) will skip them ,the question is who will throw the money into the greedy corporation pockets this time smile.gif
   
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