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There was a thread here ,we then discussed about the on die VRM and many said it s a good thing to have.

It seems it is not and that the first line of chips will most probable under-perform ,heat up and suck more from the outlet.
Overclocking wise they will be very limited as well in spite of the expectations.

I really want to see who will buy this expensive chips to have less than with previous generation.
Opposed to Bulldozers this ones will not be cheap and no one will be able to upgrade just the chip ,new socket and such

As no AMD fanboy will buy them (new AMD chips around the corner) and many Intel users (used with more performance with every new series) will skip them ,the question is who will throw the money into the greedy corporation pockets this time smile.gif

Bulldozer was way, way overpriced when it came out too. http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-FX-Series%20FX-8150.html

I think everyone (Intel, Nvidia, AMD) have learned that you can get away with charging a lot more for new parts because they have dedicated consumers (fanboys/girls) that will buy it just because the graphs are a little bigger.
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There was a thread here ,we then discussed about the on die VRM and many said it s a good thing to have.

It seems it is not and that the first line of chips will most probable under-perform ,heat up and suck more from the outlet.
Overclocking wise they will be very limited as well in spite of the expectations.

I really want to see who will buy this expensive chips to have less than with previous generation.
Opposed to Bulldozers this ones will not be cheap and no one will be able to upgrade just the chip ,new socket and such

As no AMD fanboy will buy them (new AMD chips around the corner) and many Intel users (used with more performance with every new series) will skip them ,the question is who will throw the money into the greedy corporation pockets this time smile.gif


For desktop:

-Ignorant fools, such as an i7 with a Radeon 5450, or no dedicated GPU at all.

-Performance chasers, such as the ones that bought the i7-3970X or dual i7-990Xs with quad GTX Titans.

-Rational upgraders, such as folks sitting on the first gen i7/i5 or Core 2 Quad Q6600.

-Late upgraders, such as folks still sitting on the Core 2 Duo, or the hated Netburst P4/PD.


For laptop:

-Replacement, such as folks still using an old laptop but plan on getting a new one during the Back to School sales.


For the uber fools:

-Attempting to upgrade directly from Ivy Bridge to Haswell, with the same mobo. Hilarity ensues if he/she posts the failure online. Jaws will drop if the fool actually got the upgrade to work, followed by Intel announcing that any CPU plugged into the wrong socket will have their warranty voided.
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Sounds like Bulldozer to me.

There's not nearly as much hype surrounding Haswell as it was BD which was not only AMD's first new architecture in almost 10 years, but it was an inverse way of looking at a processor. Haswell is just a highly tweaked SNB, so anyone expecting a revolution is setting themselves up for failure.

Even if it doesn't live up to everyone's unrealistic expectations, its still going to perform better than it's predecessor unlike Bulldozer.
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Back then I was into binning. Out of 5 c0 920s only 1 couldn't do 4ghz. One stopped at 3.8 and would go no higher

Regardless of your personal experience, it is well known than c0 920s had this problem. Sure there were people that got their early ones to 4 ghz but often it would take much more voltage.
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Regardless of your personal experience, it is well known than c0 920s had this problem. Sure there were people that got their early ones to 4 ghz but often it would take much more voltage.

Who cares how much voltage it took. They still hit 4.0 or better.
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Who cares how much voltage it took. They still hit 4.0 or better.

I have a launch day 1055T that takes a crapload of voltage to get to 4.1GHz. Later releases get to it with the volts I need for 3.8GHz.

Mine just needs 50 or 60W more to get to the same point. But who cares, right? rolleyes.gif
   
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When Intel gets defensive bad things happen...
 
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post #48 of 64
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Who cares how much voltage it took. They still hit 4.0 or better.

Here's an example:

"Hey guys, I put 1.6V into my i5 3750k to get it to OC over 4 GHz. Anything wrong with it?"

FYI, 1.6V is not suggested for long term gaming usage for a 22nm die without liquid nitrogen due to excess electromigration. And think of the cooling system needed to handle the highly increased heat output.


I recall coming across a few threads in which the OPs' CPUs had start to break down. They noticed they had to either increase voltage or decrease clock speed to make it stable again, and those measures lasted for few weeks to a few months. This was especially true for a certain P4 model, where after a certain level voltage, it was guarantee to fail within several months.
Edited by A Bad Day - 4/6/13 at 6:21am
post #49 of 64
That certainly happened to my E6600 I had circa 2006. It only lasted a year or two at the frequencies and voltage I was running it at. Step by step, I eventually had to reduce clock frequency down below stock and it took extra voltage for even that to be stable.
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This is how I killed my Q6600. I clocked it to 3.2 on a P35 DS4 board and after 13 months or so it started being unstable. I had to decrease speed and increase voltage to maintain stability until one day the CPU just totally died. I then upgraded to this current CPU and haven't pushed it that hard as it can't do 3.7 without excessive voltage. Damned C2 stepping.
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