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Just out of curiosity,who is going to do the older a3 work.Stanford must think it needs to be done for some reason (just like gpu2).Do my extra cores qualify me for a4 work or can any multi core cpu qualify for core a4 work?Thanks by the way

EDIT: If I do not put in the -smp argument in my shortcut I will get core a4 work as it is.Is there some division about just what a4 WU's get handed out depending on if you go through V7 or not.My inital thought about V7 was it simply made setting up and controlling multiple clients easier.

a3 mainly exist to maintain backward compatibility with legacy clients (pre v6) at this point. Stanford encourages folding a4 units with v7 by offering you an additional 10% bonus after completion.

The GROMACS version (a4, a3), has nothing to do with core amount of the CPU. There are work units for unicore on each version. Typically unicore units have a more tolerant deadline than the multicore ones. This makes them favorable for P4, lower end C2D CPUs but less efficient for higher spec CPUs because of the low bonus factor.

You probably got a unicore a4. What was the project number?
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Yeah, Donkey...explain how you get one unit over another?

I know I get A5 units with my 4P, but I hadn't noticed that one version of the client would make you susceptible to receiving either an A3 or an A4? How is that built into the client versions?

Or am I asking you for too much? rolleyes.gif

A5 units are for 16T and above. If the client sees 16 or more cores and you raise a bigadv flag, you'll most likely get a5 if available. Each client version handles work packet requests differently though. V7 takes only client type, # of threads and user IP as an argument for work assignment. V6 also takes packet size into consideration. Since a3 units are mainly sorted on size for each respective server, v6 will do a best effort to get you a3s, v7 does not (as I said earlier it ignores packet size). Unless something has changed in the 3 months I wasn't folding...

But this is how it worked back then wink.gif
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a3 mainly exist to maintain backward compatibility with legacy clients (pre v6) at this point. Stanford encourages folding a4 units with v7 by offering you an additional 10% bonus after completion.

The GROMACS version (a4, a3), has nothing to do with core amount of the CPU. There are work units for unicore on each version. Typically unicore units have a more tolerant deadline than the multicore ones. This makes them favorable for P4, lower end C2D CPUs but less efficient for higher spec CPUs because of the low bonus factor.

You probably got a unicore a4. What was the project number?
A5 units are for 16T and above. If the client sees 16 or more cores and you raise a bigadv flag, you'll most likely get a5 if available. Each client version handles work packet requests differently though. V7 takes only client type, # of threads and user IP as an argument for work assignment. V6 also takes packet size into consideration. Since a3 units are mainly sorted on size for each respective server, v6 will do a best effort to get you a3s, v7 does not (as I said earlier it ignores packet size). Unless something has changed in the 3 months I wasn't folding...

But this is how it worked back then wink.gif

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Does the statement that a3 work exists to provide "backward compatibility" mean that there is no value in doing a3 work? Just what does the "backward compatibility" statement mean in this context?

How does just using the -smp argument and a base 6.34 client install (not using any "V's") get me a3 work?
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At the end of the sentence it says, legacy clients support. There are people still running v5 and older client versions on older/other OSes. a3 still has a value (I said mainly, not only), but a4 are more important and include the latest research. Also, a4 units are still increasing in variance where a3 are mainly the same old units that have been around for quite a while already. stanford still welcomes the results (they wouldn't distribute them otherwise), but prefers users folding a4.

You should note that a3 and a4 denote the way units are coded. Obviously, new units will be coded in the latest version, a4.

I don't know about the second question. It's just the way the v6 client handles work assignment. I have no view whatsoever on what the assignment servers do internally. I only know that v6 handles assignments very differently from v7 and that a3 are more organized in size. V7 ignores this and gives you a4 units most of the time.
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Blademaster,am I with my I7-970 considered "legacy equipment"?Are you saying that Stanford keeps certain clients available simply so that people with really low end cpu's can still particiate in the folding program? If you do compare the output from one of our multi cpu folders and my output it would be easy to conclude that I am a drop in the ocean and we do not even have to leave the team to see it. I would certainly think that in the gpu arena gpu2 is considered legacy.We were told over 2 years ago that gpu2 was being phased out.I also like being prepared but I think they could have held this announcement back a few months.
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Blademaster,am I with my I7-970 considered "legacy equipment"?Are you saying that Stanford keeps certain clients available simply so that people with really low end cpu's can still particiate in the folding program? If you do compare the output from one of our multi cpu folders and my output it would be easy to conclude that I am a drop in the ocean and we do not even have to leave the team to see it. I would certainly think that in the gpu arena gpu2 is considered legacy.We were told over 2 years ago that gpu2 was being phased out.I also like being prepared but I think they could have held this announcement back a few months.

 

No, the client is software, your hardware doesn't matter. People using older OS & software fold a3 and uni, the rest folds a3 and a4 (or uni if you have 1 thread available). v6 also gets a4 but less.

 

They announced a4 priorities about a year ago

 

http://folding.typepad.com/news/2012/07/bonus-for-a4-core-based-project.html

 

Just use the latest client, it's not their intention to have you fold on their old client. You can if you want to, but it's not optimal. To make sure again, your equipment has nothing to do with client version. both a4 and a3 are available for unicore.

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OK Blademaster.It is just that,well at least for me when I hear the term "legacy" my brain immeditally goes to Vista and its non-support for "legacy hardware".You are saying that me folding on a3 I am making use of "legacy software". Also you say there really is no reason to fold on this legacy software (there are better WU's to fold) Stanford makes it possible to access this legacy software as it is not doing any harm.This is how I interpet your helpful post.+ rep
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OK Blademaster.It is just that,well at least for me when I hear the term "legacy" my brain immeditally goes to Vista and its non-support for "legacy hardware".You are saying that me folding on a3 I am making use of "legacy software". Also you say there really is no reason to fold on this legacy software (there are better WU's to fold) Stanford makes it possible to access this legacy software as it is not doing any harm.This is how I interpet your helpful post.+ rep

 

Yes, although a3 are not legacy yet. They also appear on v7 but not as frequently. You should use v7, it's the best thing. v6 is not legacy yet but certainly not as great as v7.

 

Just compare v6 to Vista and v7 to Win7, lol.

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