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I heard there was stutter problems with SLI / cross fire, do the single cards with dual GPU's have that problem too though? That's pretty bad if a single card has microstutter issues

Yes, it's still SLI/CF. Just on a single PCB.
 
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I say: No sli or crossfire isn´t the future. To much microstutter.
Anyways most people buy ony 1 Card which is for the most applications more than enough. But maybe dual GPU chip tech is the future. We will see.
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But, but....Mars. Mmm.

Not sure about the mars, the 580 version was alright, but the mars III was supposed to launch last summer. I never saw a single result from one, they either got scrapped or did not do well...
    
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You're asking us to predict the future! tongue.gif

At it's current state, just like everyone else has stated, it's not looking like it.

I have a feeling the technology will be fixed someday, but as far as the near future I don't think so.
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Not sure about the mars, the 580 version was alright, but the mars III was supposed to launch last summer. I never saw a single result from one, they either got scrapped or did not do well...

Don't think it was ever launched, pretty sure it was just a proof of concept.
 
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In my opinion, dual GPU (and higher; triple, quad) solutions will always remain niche segments. Long story, short, if we raise the standard for everyone across the board today and everyone had to start using 1440p/1600p resolutions and higher (Surround, 4K) for their PC gaming, currently, it may necessitate dual GPU solutions in order to cope with the increased load. However, since 1080p resolutions are much more common across the board, with mid range cards like the GTX 660, 650 Ti Boost, HD 7850, and HD7870 all providing excellent bang for the buck for that resolution, the adoption rate for anything higher will not take place for quite some time to come.

Another thing to consider is that in order to spec out and build these monster dual GPU, single PCB cards, both companies would need to invest quite a bit more into engineering, and need to have excellent binned chips that fit a particular power envelope in order to be compliant. Considering yields aren't consistently great, it's quite an expensive endeavor, which is why a number of these types of cards only pan out to be limited production SKU's.

Besides that, the real money making SKU's will always be in that $100-$250 segment where the low/mid range thrive; now, especially, since the economy is still not doing well and people are much more discerning about how they spend their money. This is also why the competition and focus is so fierce in those segments, which seems to have awarded us consumers with an abundance of good choices. thumb.gif
     
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Besides that, the real money making SKU's will always be in that $100-$250 segment where the low/mid range thrive; now, especially, since the economy is still not doing well and people are much more discerning about how they spend their money. This is also why the competition and focus is so fierce in those segments, which seems to have awarded us consumers with an abundance of good choices. thumb.gif

I guess in my original post I was thinking a little further forward. For example, would anyone back in the day of 500 Mhz to 1 Ghz single core CPU's say that down the road the most practice CPU to buy or put into a budget media machine would be dual/quad core? At a time it was all about clock speeds, something that's starting to matter less now.

I would say that the success of dual GPU cards will depend on their ability to make them work efficiently. My thought is the fact that they are only 2 cards essentially crammed into 1 could be a primitive first step. Or maybe we'll start to see SSD, RAM, CPU, GPU all built onto a single board.
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I guess in my original post I was thinking a little further forward. For example, would anyone back in the day of 500 Mhz to 1 Ghz single core CPU's say that down the road the most practice CPU to buy or put into a budget media machine would be dual/quad core? At a time it was all about clock speeds, something that's starting to matter less now.

I would say that the success of dual GPU cards will depend on their ability to make them work efficiently. My thought is the fact that they are only 2 cards essentially crammed into 1 could be a primitive first step. Or maybe we'll start to see SSD, RAM, CPU, GPU all built onto a single board.

Putting everything on one board is something I see likely to happen with lower end prebuilt systems like it is with smartphones.
With a dual GPU card it's basically crossfire that you can't disable which can be a pain if a game doesn't support crossfire/SLI I see that the only benefit is space saving. I prefer the look of more cards in my rig anyway it just looks a little more fuller.

If we look at Dual CPU rigs they have taken a long time to catch on in the consumer market even now only a few people have them if that's anything to go by it will be a very long time (10 years?) until Dual GPU's become commonplace. Even then I doubt it as a good single chip is usually better than two chips that combined are equal to the power of the one good one. I'm also sure that there will always be the red and green battle of who has the most powerful Single GPU card.

*off topic*
Talking of this makes me wonder how wonderful it would be if each extra card in SLI/Crossfire you had added another 100% to the computing power
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I guess in my original post I was thinking a little further forward. For example, would anyone back in the day of 500 Mhz to 1 Ghz single core CPU's say that down the road the most practice CPU to buy or put into a budget media machine would be dual/quad core? At a time it was all about clock speeds, something that's starting to matter less now.

I would say that the success of dual GPU cards will depend on their ability to make them work efficiently. My thought is the fact that they are only 2 cards essentially crammed into 1 could be a primitive first step. Or maybe we'll start to see SSD, RAM, CPU, GPU all built onto a single board.

Ah I see. I suppose the question should be: when do we hit the point of diminishing returns where you can only add so many "cores" to a GPU before it becomes a necessity to have multiple physical GPU's?

To your point, I think we are starting to see that from the slowing down of die shrinks. It seems to be increasingly harder to be able to successfully shrink these chips even further without having excessive losses and/or reliability issues. I feel we still have a little more headroom left, as evidenced by the appearance of Titan, but that point is closing in soon.

So to answer the question from that perspective, is dual GPU's the future? It very well may be. redface.gif

As for the success of dual-GPU cards, I think it would moreso depend on the final pricing. If the cards were cheap enough, adoption rate would be very high since they are no longer as cost prohibitive. To use an analogy loosely, most people don't care/don't want to know how a sausage is made, they just want the final end result. tongue.gif
     
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Ah I see. I suppose the question should be: when do we hit the point of diminishing returns where you can only add so many "cores" to a GPU before it becomes a necessity to have multiple physical GPU's?

To your point, I think we are starting to see that from the slowing down of die shrinks. It seems to be increasingly harder to be able to successfully shrink these chips even further without having excessive losses and/or reliability issues. I feel we still have a little more headroom left, as evidenced by the appearance of Titan, but that point is closing in soon.

So to answer the question from that perspective, is dual GPU's the future? It very well may be. redface.gif

As for the success of dual-GPU cards, I think it would moreso depend on the final pricing. If the cards were cheap enough, adoption rate would be very high since they are no longer as cost prohibitive. To use an analogy loosely, most people don't care/don't want to know how a sausage is made, they just want the final end result. tongue.gif

Hah! Yes, that is exactly what I was getting at. If the concept can be designed efficiently then production costs can come down and of course software will then be developed that will better utilize the structure. We can't go on adding caches and cores forever after all.
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