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A year+ ago I posted a thread to "talk to me into buying a gaming laptop" then a follow up thread in January.

Well after much agonizing and not being able to make up my mind I finally purchased my gaming laptop.

I purchased a it from XoticPC: Sager NP9370 - Gaming Laptop (Clevo P370EM)
In like 6 years it'll make a cool server rolleyes.gif

Some limited specs:
Ivy Bridge Core i7-3630QM
nVidia GeForce GTX 680M 4,096MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
16GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)

This turned out to be kind of a long rambling post. If anybody has any comment or suggestions I'm all ears. This is really my first high-end laptop of any sort period. In fact I don't think I've ever owned a laptop worth more than $500. So this is quite an upgrade for me. Maybe there's some thermal setting I need to set. I feel like I'm in new territory here. I haven't done any kind of over clocking, haven't even attempted anything like that. I can provide more info in so required.

I ordered it with two 1TB hard drives since I already had an SSD. I conveniently didn't order an optical drive since I didn't need one so the first thing I did was put the one of the drives in the optical bay and stick the SSD in the primary drive location.

So far I'm almost entirely satisfied with it. I did actually run Prime95 as soon as windows was installed to check and see if the CPU would break (it didn't).

I had issues with waking from sleep/hibernate from day one, which I didn't mind so much since the cold boot time was 15 or so seconds. But a couple weeks in the thing actually glitched out during a game of SC2 (graphics looked all weird) and then the whole thing shut off. I looked in my system log and it said there was a critical thermal event.

I finally wrote an email to Xotic and asked for some assistance. I expressed it hadn't happened for a while and the GPU temps were good. In mentioning the sleep problem I actually reset the CMOS to the factory defaults and managed to fix it. I didn't think I had done anything that significant to affect a power setting like that. I remember I changed one or two things like turning off the flash screen at bootup (bad idea since the shortcut key to enter CMOS setup is different on the two screens) and probably the boot order. I don't remember changing anythign else.

In the past two or three weeks of SC2 play I haven't had any critical crashes but I have not some intermittent graphical glitching. Sometimes quite bad sometimes hardly noticeable.

I don't know if there is actually a hardware defect or if this is just the way the gaming laptops are.
Edited by subassy - 4/6/13 at 12:13pm
 
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Originally Posted by subassy View Post

A year+ ago I posted a thread to "talk to me into buying a gaming laptop" then a follow up thread in January.

Well after much agonizing and not being able to make up my mind I finally purchased my gaming laptop.

I purchased a it from XoticPC: Sager NP9370 - Gaming Laptop (Clevo P370EM)
I like 6 years it'll make a cool server rolleyes.gif

Some limited specs:
Ivy Bridge Core i7-3630QM
nVidia GeForce GTX 680M 4,096MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
16GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)

This turned out to be kind of a long rambling post. If anybody has any comment or suggestions I'm all ears. This is really my first high-end laptop of any sort period. In fact I don't think I've ever owned a laptop worth more than $500. So this is quite an upgrade for me. Maybe there's some thermal setting I need to set. I feel like I'm in new territory here. I haven't done any kind of over clocking, haven't even attempted anything like that. I can provide more info in so required.

I ordered it with two 1TB hard drives since I already had an SSD. I conveniently didn't order an optical drive since I didn't need one so the first thing I did was put the one of the drives in the optical bay and stick the SSD in the primary drive location.

So far I'm almost entirely satisfied with it. I did actually run Prime95 as soon as windows was installed to check and see if the CPU would break (it didn't).

I had issues with waking from sleep/hibernate from day one, which I didn't mind so much since the cold boot time was 15 or so seconds. But a couple weeks in the thing actually glitched out during a game of SC2 (graphics looked all weird) and then the whole thing shut off. I looked in my system log and it said there was a critical thermal event.

I finally wrote an email to Xotic and asked for some assistance. I expressed it hadn't happened for a while and the GPU temps were good. In mentioning the sleep problem I actually reset the CMOS to the factory defaults and managed to fix it. I didn't think I had done anything that significant to affect a power setting like that. I remember I changed one or two things like turning off the flash screen at bootup (bad idea since the shortcut key to enter CMOS setup is different on the two screens) and probably the boot order. I don't remember changing anythign else.

In the past two or three weeks of SC2 play I haven't had any critical crashes but I have not some intermittent graphical glitching. Sometimes quite bad sometimes hardly noticeable.

I don't know if there is actually a hardware defect or if this is just the way the gaming laptops are.
Theres no such thing as a gaming laptop:P in all seriousness those things are marketing schemes and not worth the money if you want to game get you a nice desktop a laptop no matter how the specs on paper are meant to live on a battery and be portable with that comes less power and less heat and with less power and less heat = less performance i seriously doubt any1 on this site suggested a gaming laptop to you. return it and buy a desktop.

The graphic issues are form heat again you bought a laptop. You cant overclock again its a laptop.

Lets refresh laptops are made to be portable to browse the web and type papers ect the were never intended to be a person primary pc just a secondary to take while out.
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Theres no such thing as a gaming laptop:P in all seriousness those things are marketing schemes and not worth the money if you want to game get you a nice desktop a laptop no matter how the specs on paper are meant to live on a battery and be portable with that comes less power and less heat and with less power and less heat = less performance i seriously doubt any1 on this site suggested a gaming laptop to you. return it and buy a desktop.

The graphic issues are form heat again you bought a laptop. You cant overclock again its a laptop.

Lets refresh laptops are made to be portable to browse the web and type papers ect the were never intended to be a person primary pc just a secondary to take while out.

I respectfully disagree. A GTX 680M is the same core as a desktop GTX 670, paired with a more than capable CPU. That is, in my opinion, very much a gaming machine smile.gif

And, you can overclock laptops, sort of. In my laptop, I overclocked the GT 650M to 1GHz core, 1050MHz memory (up from around 850 core, 900 mem) while keeping temperatures reasonable. I believe 680M's can be overclocked as well.


Now, regarding the sort of artifacting issues you are seeing - do you know what the temperature your GPU is hitting? Try gaming with MSI afterburner or GPUz in the background and check the max temp afterwards. The Clevo P370 is more than capable of keeping things cool in theory, but perhaps the thermal paste wasn't applied well? Just speculating. Anyway, it'd be useful to see what the actual temps are that you are hitting.
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Theres no such thing as a gaming laptop:P in all seriousness those things are marketing schemes and not worth the money if you want to game get you a nice desktop a laptop no matter how the specs on paper are meant to live on a battery and be portable with that comes less power and less heat and with less power and less heat = less performance i seriously doubt any1 on this site suggested a gaming laptop to you. return it and buy a desktop.

The graphic issues are form heat again you bought a laptop. You cant overclock again its a laptop.

Lets refresh laptops are made to be portable to browse the web and type papers ect the were never intended to be a person primary pc just a secondary to take while out.

I think the guy that wrote this thread might disagree with you. Did you read my prior threads? I bought a very specific laptop for very specific reasons after a lot of thought. It was not done lightly.

It has a user-replaceable CPU and GPU. It holds 3 hard drives. It's capable of two GPUs for a SLI/XFire setup. The power brick...about the size of the xbox 360 one. And yes, it can be over-clocked. It is not just an supplemental device. That's what iPads are for. Or maybe you're just trolling.

Oh and I inadvertently spent about two hours playing SC2 on battery the other night. That's actually a lot more than I expected. thumb.gif
 
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I think the guy that wrote this thread might disagree with you. Did you read my prior threads? I bought a very specific laptop for very specific reasons after a lot of thought. It was not done lightly.

It has a user-replaceable CPU and GPU. It holds 3 hard drives. It's capable of two GPUs for a SLI/XFire setup. The power brick...about the size of the xbox 360 one. And yes, it can be over-clocked. It is not just an supplemental device. That's what iPads are for. Or maybe you're just trolling.

Oh and I inadvertently spent about two hours playing SC2 on battery the other night. That's actually a lot more than I expected. thumb.gif

Exactly! You chose a good system. And if you ever get bored with an i7-3630QM, you can always pop a 3940XM in there if you feel like it biggrin.gif

Not bad on the battery life either!
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I'd still rather game at home with a nice screen and comfy place to sit. Not trying to make a make-shift place to game "on the move" as that poster put it.
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4.) Laptops are more forgiving when customized heavily than compared to desktop counterparts; $3,500 Gaming Laptops are better choices than similarly priced Desktop machines

Haha NOPE. Show me some stats that compare and I might try to believe it.

Alienware is garbage IMO...Now that owned by Dell it is basically overpriced OEM junk...kind of like their brand....

The only thing it has is mobility. Then again you can always make a gaming box/cube which makes a desktop pretty mobile.
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Theres no such thing as a gaming laptop:P in all seriousness those things are marketing schemes and not worth the money if you want to game get you a nice desktop a laptop no matter how the specs on paper are meant to live on a battery and be portable with that comes less power and less heat and with less power and less heat = less performance i seriously doubt any1 on this site suggested a gaming laptop to you. return it and buy a desktop.

The graphic issues are form heat again you bought a laptop. You cant overclock again its a laptop.

Lets refresh laptops are made to be portable to browse the web and type papers ect the were never intended to be a person primary pc just a secondary to take while out.

If you had anything reasonable to post, I might humor reading it, but the first 8-ish words said enough to denote your level of intelligence. rolleyes.gif Go away troll.


As for the purchase, good going. biggrin.gif I'm planning on grabbing the same model hopefully sometime in the future.
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Haha NOPE. Show me some stats that compare and I might try to believe it.

Alienware is garbage IMO...Now that owned by Dell it is basically overpriced OEM junk...kind of like their brand....

The only thing it has is mobility. Then again you can always make a gaming box/cube which makes a desktop pretty mobile.

Go reread the sentence again please. I never said anything about how it was faster than the desktop lineup, as that'd be simply dumb to even attempt claiming. I said it's better value for your dollar. You end up at a plateau eventually when it comes to desktops, you stop seeing reasonable scaling after two GPUs unless you have multiple monitors (the screen resolution you deal with on the laptop ends up being the reason for this, being only 1080p), the differences between the CPU choices you have aren't great enough to justify the means on the desktop line (The 3770k being all you'll ever need), and overclocking is overrated anyway. Good job, you got a CPU to 4.6GHz... and you only have one GPU... congrats. rolleyes.gif

But anyway, I've spent enough time attempting to speak with you. Time to go actually help people instead of slandering their purchases like you seem to enjoy doing. rolleyes.gif
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If you had anything reasonable to post, I might humor reading it, but the first 8-ish words said enough to denote your level of intelligence. rolleyes.gif Go away troll.


As for the purchase, good going. biggrin.gif I'm planning on grabbing the same model hopefully sometime in the future.
Go reread the sentence again please. I never said anything about how it was faster than the desktop lineup, as that'd be simply dumb to even attempt claiming. I said it's better value for your dollar. You end up at a plateau eventually when it comes to desktops, you stop seeing reasonable scaling after two GPUs unless you have multiple monitors (the screen resolution you deal with on the laptop ends up being the reason for this, being only 1080p), the differences between the CPU choices you have aren't great enough to justify the means on the desktop line (The 3770k being all you'll ever need), and overclocking is overrated anyway. Good job, you got a CPU to 4.6GHz... and you only have one GPU... congrats. rolleyes.gif

But anyway, I've spent enough time attempting to speak with you. Time to go actually help people instead of slandering their purchases like you seem to enjoy doing. rolleyes.gif

haha ya there worth the money alright so are murderboxes so go spend 20k on a desktop. 3500 price to performance you could have built a desktop with slied titans for the price of that laptop. tablets are built for that purpose and so are laptops.

Althou i do agree thats the way they consumer market is headed portabilty is king. although im opposed give me a huge tower where i can stuff numerous rads and tons of space for whatever else i want. as for your 680m performing to gtx 670 not in this planet especially at 900mhz my 670 ftw is clocked at 1356 gaurantee your laptop wont hold a candle to my desktop and my desktop was half the price.

Althougb it has been long while since i have seen or heard of any gaming laptops if im wrong show me a heaven bmark and if it performs even close to my 670 ftw i will gladly admit it is a true gaming machine.
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haha ya there worth the money alright so are murderboxes so go spend 20k on a desktop. 3500 price to performance you could have built a desktop with slied titans for the price of that laptop. tablets are built for that purpose and so are laptops.

Althou i do agree thats the way they consumer market is headed portabilty is king. although im opposed give me a huge tower where i can stuff numerous rads and tons of space for whatever else i want. as for your 680m performing to gtx 670 not in this planet especially at 900mhz my 670 ftw is clocked at 1356 gaurantee your laptop wont hold a candle to my desktop and my desktop was half the price.

Althougb it has been long while since i have seen or heard of any gaming laptops if im wrong show me a heaven bmark and if it performs even close to my 670 ftw i will gladly admit it is a true gaming machine.

Oh yeah because, dual Titans scale so well at 1080p when compared to say, dual 680Ms. tongue.gif Really dude. It's a matter of "How many frames per second do you want?" by that point. The Titan is a joke. And I was stating that the price to performance ratio of a $3,500 laptop vastly outweighs that of a $3,500 desktop due to how rapidly the desktop market plateaus. You stop seeing legitimate performance increases after around $1,800 on desktops, whereas you continue gaining performance on the laptop market while remaining more mobile the entire time.

But alas, I've beaten out all of you trolls before and I've kept you out of here for a while. Now go back to your desk, at home, and play your games while I move freely about the world on my portable gaming machine built specifically for that purpose. wink.gif
     
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Hey mate, I don't have anything to input to your questions really, but I wanted to ask you kindly if you can give me your personal opinions on that laptop. I am thinking about purchasing one, the exact same model except not with the 680m but with SLi GTX670MX's (Considering I don't think I will ever need that powerful of a card) I rarely play games haha but I do enjoy benchmarking(only on low-end stuff, its nice to see a GTX 670mx on GTX680m territory, which I have already done with my ASUS G75vx clocked at 1000mhz GPU core =] )

Well, anyways how do you like the design of that laptop? Is it tasteful? is the keyboard easy to type on and has good spacing between keys?
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