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Ran across this article today and was intrigued by it. Wanted to know what people on OCN think about the "diversity" of Linux. Must it be brought together, do we even want it to become more mainstream, sold in stores, etc.?

"Sorting Out the Linux Desktop Mess"
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The problem is, Linux needs a real standards body that can have a long term standard and a short term standard, so we don't have this:

It's working why change it.
All of our software relies on this and that.

vs

Its old and slow.
This technique is better on so many levels.
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But what would define "short term"? Rolling Release like Arch or every few months...6 months?
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I'd consider short term to be either 6- 8 months maybe 5 years for long term, so say if the standards body wants to change the way a core service works they can do it without making one half of the community angry.
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So what about Arch and other rolling releases, there is a strong user base there for people who like the updated system as soon as released.

I think the thing is, You can split up groups like that, but then there will be all of these splits of people who want to take a certain linux distro and have it be a little more one way or another than the main release. It is always going to be a wide spectrum I think.
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Originally Posted by rapidtransit View Post

The problem is, Linux needs a real standards body that can have a long term standard and a short term standard, so we don't have this:

It's working why change it.
All of our software relies on this and that.

vs

Its old and slow.
This technique is better on so many levels.
We have that, it's called LSB (Linux Standard Base).
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I'd consider short term to be either 6- 8 months maybe 5 years for long term, so say if the standards body wants to change the way a core service works they can do it without making one half of the community angry.
You'll always make half the community angry because Linux is largely a community of hackers who want an OS on their terms.
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Originally Posted by benpack101 View Post

Ran across this article today and was intrigued by it. Wanted to know what people on OCN think about the "diversity" of Linux. Must it be brought together, do we even want it to become more mainstream, sold in stores, etc.?

"Sorting Out the Linux Desktop Mess"
I don't think there's a problem. You have Ubuntu (and it's many many derivatives for those who want an "out of the box" experience and the latest dumbed down daemons. Valve and other desktop projects can target Ubuntu. Then you have everything else for people who actually know how Linux works and want to tinker with the OS. Those people can fiddle with the Ubuntu desktop apps to port them to their distro of choice.

All I ask is that Canonical doesn't make any changes in Ubuntu that renders it incompatible with the wider Linux ecosystem (eg Mir).
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We have that, it's called LSB (Linux Standard Base).
You'll always make half the community angry because Linux is largely a community of hackers who want an OS on their terms.
I don't think there's a problem. You have Ubuntu (and it's many many derivatives for those who want an "out of the box" experience and the latest dumbed down daemons. Valve and other desktop projects can target Ubuntu. Then you have everything else for people who actually know how Linux works and want to tinker with the OS. Those people can fiddle with the Ubuntu desktop apps to port them to their distro of choice.

All I ask is that Canonical doesn't make any changes in Ubuntu that renders it incompatible with the wider Linux ecosystem (eg Mir).

I think there is about 3-5 Distributions on there that really matter, https://www.linuxbase.org/lsb-cert/productdir.php?by_lsb
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I think there is about 3-5 Distributions on there that really matter, https://www.linuxbase.org/lsb-cert/productdir.php?by_lsb

There's a lot of distros that are effectively LSB even though they haven't been certified. eg Debain
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I think the problem is looking at linux as a singular entity.

in reality any standard that is put forth, is ultimately in the end is going be as effective as the largest distro that is using it.

I would like to see some things unified in linux, but for the most part, its really an already lost argument. We are at a turning point atm in the development of linux, where the things that make it great are also the same things that in end keep us divided.
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I think the problem is looking at linux as a singular entity.

in reality any standard that is put forth, is ultimately in the end is going be as effective as the largest distro that is using it.

I would like to see some things unified in linux, but for the most part, its really an already lost argument. We are at a turning point atm in the development of linux, where the things that make it great are also the same things that in end keep us divided.

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