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That's until you look at the time frame and realize that GCN is a completely new architecture. 7970 released a year after the 6970 and runs on a completely different architecture which is why it's performance when released was so poor - they had to completely rewrite their driver code and now provides almost twice as much performance matching a 6990 in many benchmarks. The titan released 2 years and 3 months after the GTX580 and runs on a kepler architecture which is just a tweaked and shrunken down version of Fermi - an architecture they have been coding drivers for since the 480 released.

or at least that's how i think it goes.

Look at what a beast the GTX480 (which was a new architecture) became and how it curb stomped the HD5870 when Nvidia finally understood how to properly code drivers for it, because when it released it was just a tick above an HD5870 and ate power liked a hog.

Actually, Kepler is pretty close to an entirely new architecture in comparison with Fermi, just as GCN is compared to Radeon 6970 chips. smile.gif
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I'm not trying to get people's hopes up, but when I spoke to my source they said that AMD will release the non-OEM 8970 in April and that it won't be as fast as Titan.

I don't think they would make it up, but let's hope the release date is true and it comes in at a reasonable price to encourage competition.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Nvidia's got something coming...



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Lol, this kind of logic works both ways. If AMD had thought there was any way Nvidia could release GK110 as the 680 they would've had no choice but to release something faster than the 7970. As it is now with Nvidia willfully pricing TItan into the rarefied air of a luxury item, AMD has no reason to hurry the 8970 along because a $1k Titan will never be a true threat to their bottom line. A $500 Titan would force them to release an 8970 tomorrow though...

You don't just magically release something like that in the semiconductor business. New chips take years of design work before they can be taped out. (well not perhaps years for just a scaled up/down design but you get the point, even for those it will still be much longer than your post makes it out to be)

The problem here is that NV could go with the $1000 price tag because they know that AMD does not have anything new to release. So seeing how the 600 series is selling better than the 7000 series they just took the profitability route and went to town with it.

AMD also did not realize at all that GK110 was going to be released as a consumer card, you can find the info in that interview they did (with TPU right?). They started out by calling it K20X, and that it wasn't meant for gaming anyways etc. They were caught off guard by the thing.

And let's be honest here. Titan would never be a $500 card. It has way too much stuff on it to be one, however GK110 itself could be used in a $500 card if the need was there. NV would just drop the cooler and use a plastic one, drop the non crippled compute abilities, drop the 6GB of memory and go with 3GB and call it a day. At this point of the lifespan of the 28nm node that thing would not be more expensive than a 580 was. It's definitely not what Nvidia wants to do but it's doable if they had the need.

The situation is likely to go back to (or at least closer) to the norm with Maxwell. Since kepler is such a powerful design and a big leap NV is likely going to have a hard time getting such a big improvement next time which will allow AMD to catch up a bit and will probably force NV to use big dies in lower grade consumer cards. Next time they shouldn't even have a supercomputer deal that will be taking the chips from them for half a year like they had with GK110 (source: Anand podcast Titan part).
 
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@2010rig

You might post comparisons with real resolution and from reliable site... I can say for sure that those games.. Its not gonna be over 50% faster than 7970 GHZ.
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@2010rig

You might post comparisons with real resolution and from reliable site... I can say for sure that those games.. Its not gonna be over 50% faster than 7970 GHZ.

Did you read what you ripped? The Titan is outperforming hugely with 4x msaa while the other cards aren't using that.
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post #176 of 254
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Did you read what you ripped? The Titan is outperforming hugely with 4x msaa while the other cards aren't using that.

inb4 "memory buffer"

Anyway, I have to concur that there is basically nothing keeping NVidia back from pricing it that high.

It's honestly not as power-hungry as I expected, it's armed with a MASSIVE memory buffer, and as we've seen in Benches, performs amazing in multi-monitor environments.
It has got no competition on the market, and let's not forget the fact that you can tri-/quad-SLI. (I'm not saying that diminishing returns will be soft, but you can't box in more than 2x690/7990's anyway)
It's an enormous performance gain over a 680/7970, leaving them both in the dust. And they are the top-notch single-GPU cards in the mass consumer market.
proof.gif http://www.techpowerup.com/182414/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-Titan-Sets-Four-3DMark-World-Records.html proof.gif

And so I ask, how and why should it be 500$? No offense, but someone's sour wallet got the sourness into their butts. Of course I drool all over it, and I bet most of us do. But you do realize that you want what's currently CLASS, if not classes (provided we don't have any concrete info on what's upcoming, do we?) above all else, for the price <= GTX 680 atm (judging by my local prices).

P.S. And don't even try to tell me that sleek design doesn't get you all horny, too.

Edit: Added link that I just saw.
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Actually, Kepler is pretty close to an entirely new architecture in comparison with Fermi, just as GCN is compared to Radeon 6970 chips. smile.gif
proof.gif genuine curiosity here.
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MY next card! If the price isnt too crazy! thumb.gif
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Not sure why people nag about slower release cycles. Not that long ago OCN was pretty much agreed upon them being way too fast. I guess nagging is the new cool.
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I'm not trying to get people's hopes up, but when I spoke to my source they said that AMD will release the non-OEM 8970 in April and that it won't be as fast as Titan.

I don't think they would make it up, but let's hope the release date is true and it comes in at a reasonable price to encourage competition.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I think your source is incorrect.

Why would AMD start hyping the 7990 for release late summer but not mention a single word about about the 8970 being released this month?

Just doesn't add up. A new GPU is not something you want a surprise release for.
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