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Hello

i have some simple questions that i need answered.

Some Back Ground Info
I am wanting to build a Back up NAS for my computers at home. (Total of 3 computers. A laptop, and 2 Desktops. the total amount of memory is about less than 500gb in total.)

I have an old dell Pc that i will be using for the nas.
Specs:
Dell 420
Intel core 2 Quad 2.4 Ghz i believe
375watt psu
4 gb ram ddr2
No hdd
ati 3650 gpu


1) I am thinking of purchasing this harddrive its meant for a nas and i am hoping it will meet my needs. Now will this harddrive be enough ?


2)this computer will just be used as a NAS so can i use this harddrive as the primary harddrive in this nas?

3)or will i have to purchase a hardrive for the os and one for the storage?

4) if i do use it as the primary hardrive will i see a preformance difference since the os will be installed here?

5) this dell computer has lan connection with 100mbs max will that bottleneck this drive?

6) is windows home server 2010 still a resonable os for a Nas or will one of Linux's server OS be a better one, and which one?

7) can this system run at 24/7 or will i have to turn it off when not active?

thanks in advance and I will update the specs this afternoon when i get to see that pc again. smile.gif
Edited by mastercommander - 4/4/13 at 8:19am
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1) The Western digital "RED" drives are perfect for NASes. The amount of storage is up to you. You mentioned that you use about 500gb, 2TB will obviously be more than enough smile.gif

2) I don't really understand the question but yes, you can use the entire drive for NAS, apart from the OS and drivers.

3) You can use ONE drive and put both NAS storage AND Drivers/OS inside it.

4) No, you will not notice the difference in performance if you install the OS/Drivers in the NAS.

5) I wouldn't call it a "bottleneck". However, that connection isn't exactly fast. It'll be perfect as long as you don't mind waiting. If you want higher speeds, invest in more drives and put them in a RAID 0 configuration to double the speeds.

6) I use Windows server 2010 and it's perfect for my needs. However, I cannot say anything about Linux as I've never used it before. It's all down to personal preference. Windows has reliability, Linux has customizability.

7) You can configure that settings in either OS to run the system 24/7. Running the system 24/7 will consume a lot of power and the system may run considerably hot. Make sure that you have adequate cooling power.

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Thanks this will really help me out. But really thanks ALOT as I couldn't find a lot of these answers any where. I'll be purchasing the HDD this weekend so I'll pm you if I have further questions. smile.gif
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The WD Red drives are great. So that will work fine.

And I think you mean Windows Home Server 2011 for $39. This is an excellent backup and centralized storage solution for windows PC's. I also believe there is an add in so you can sleep power hungry desk top hard ware to save $$$. Lights Out I believe is the name of it.

If you arer going to use WHS 2011 get a separate OS drive. It requires a minimum of 160GB so a small WD scorpio Black would work great or any other small 7200RPM drive. but it is not the worst thing to go with a 5400 RPM since it is a server you will not be rebooting it very often.

Get a 1Gbit NIC and you will thank yourself later



Other wise you should be very happy with that set up I have been running WHS 2011 for over a year and I love it.
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thanks for the suggestions, and yea i did mean windows 2011 homeserver. biggrin.gif

but i have one question if you are willing to answer.

the WD RED is a 5,400 rpm is that much of a difference compared tto a 7,200 rpm? i know the red are meant for 24/7 use but are regular 7,200 rpm consumer drives too?
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7200RPM are regularly used by consumers. They're meant to be used occasionally used. While they do offer higher disk transfer speed, they last a lot less longer than 5400RPM drives. If you can imagine two disks spinning at 7200RPM and 5400RPM, the 5400RPM disk will be under less pressure. It sounds stupid but that's the simplest way I can explain it biggrin.gif You should definitely go with the 5400RPM drive, especially for you needs and 24/7 usage.

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Alright thanks you have been very helpful to me smile.gif
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I don't think the reds where designed to be running OS off of. I agree that consumer drive have a high failure rate but the WD Red is a consumer drive. I truly feel you will benefit greatly from running a second drive for your OS. What ever that drive is it is better to use a separate drive. The OS drive is going to affect things like the load time of the dashboard and boot times.
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