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This is very good, but won't Apple know everything you do on your device anyway? So if the authorities requested information on you from Apple, wouldn't they be given it?
Edited by Edge Of Pain - 4/4/13 at 6:32pm
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This isn't anything new. They're not able to intercept Skype messages or VoIP calls very well, if at all. It's encrypted just like any text over WiFi service should be. The point of noting this is for police monitoring SMS messages, that they may not get the whole picture as iMessage could be used for some messages.

Apple also stated they'd hand over any information required by law, etc., etc. (I'm paraphrasing...)
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I assume this would be a good thing if I sold drugs or did drugs. But I don't, and this seems like all it will do is impede efforts to catch people that do, so I'm not seeing the plus side.
    
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in the next news

"Programmers of Apple's new unbreakable security algorithm are missing. Apple hasn't made an official statement. DEA refuses to comment. Bill for a "failsafe" backdoor passes."
    
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Lol
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post #46 of 122
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

For the average user, and person being tracked/prosecuted, the NSA isn't of much worry. Everything is a business, and resources and cost factor into everything. If some DA is going after some local drug dealer, they aren't going to get the NSA involved in order to break the Encryption.

Encryption is like a pad lock on a bike....

It doesn't need to be unbreakable, just stronger than the one on the bike next to yours.
I may be late on quoting this, but what a load of bull. I had my bike locked up with three kryptonite new yorks (two u-locks on the wheels and frame, and a chain on the frame), and it got jacked. The difference between my bike and the one next to it? Mine was worth about $1550 more. The lesson: Live in a dorm where you can bring your bike to the room.

On the topic of algorithms, let's just hash the messages and require the other user to brute force them!
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I may be late on quoting this, but what a load of bull. I had my bike locked up with three kryptonite new yorks (two u-locks on the wheels and frame, and a chain on the frame), and it got jacked. The difference between my bike and the one next to it? Mine was worth about $1550 more. The lesson: Live in a dorm where you can bring your bike to the room.

On the topic of algorithms, let's just hash the messages and require the other user to brute force them!

Not to derail to hard....

Either your locks weren't as strong as you thought, or they weren't used properly.

With the right lock and usage, breaking a lock would require far to much noise, time, and energy to make a thief interested in doing it. Most people think they have the right locks and use them correctly, in most cases they don't.

Though, I will absolutely contend, that with enough motivation, it is possible. But, thieves are people of opportunity, they aren't going to risk getting caught by spending an unreasonable amount of time screwing with a lock that was deployed properly.
    
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Not to derail to hard....

Either your locks weren't as strong as you thought, or they weren't used properly.

With the right lock and usage, breaking a lock would require far to much noise, time, and energy to make a thief interested in doing it. Most people think they have the right locks and use them correctly, in most cases they don't.

Though, I will absolutely contend, that with enough motivation, it is possible. But, thieves are people of opportunity, they aren't going to risk getting caught by spending an unreasonable amount of time screwing with a lock that was deployed properly.

The cops got the guy because he tried to pass off the bike. I met the kid who turned the thief in today at the skatepark. I got the bike back, and the kid said the guy was talking about an angle grinder. I wouldn't be surprised, seeing as it's impossible to hear jack in the lobby, even in the dead of night.

If you need proof, I have a letter from the prosecutor about the hearing for the guy. I'd have to redact some info cause, you know, the internet, but I can support my story.
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Oh Jesus people the analogy is dead because to relate it to icrypt you're gonna have to explain how your locks are gonna stop the DEA from breaking out the pneumatics and shearing the bike rack to get your bike off, and then taking it down to the station and putting their best locksmith on it.
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Wonder how many K20s the DEA, the NSA or all those "agencies" have already crunching numbers.
The mainframe described by Dan Brown has nothing to say about it rolleyes.gif

Oh, and to make sure I am joking, lets close with something insane. On a second thought, I am not writing this with an apple device, so lets not...religious dudes might find me.
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