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Depends on the encryption and who set it up. But yes, there is encryption that is not feasible for even the NSA to crack.

I very much doubt that.
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Very nice Apple. But sadly, it will most likely get a backdoor for the DEA to eavesdrop, so in reality it will be only useful against crackers.
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I very much doubt that.

Why? Given enough entropy, a code can be so time consuming that it becomes virtually impossible to decode.
   
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Actually, trucrypt was sort of cracked last year

http://www.informationweek.com/security/encryption/forensic-tool-cracks-bitlocker-pgp-truec/240145127

Yeah, but they need physical access to the machine after you've typed in your password to decrypt it if I understand correctly what I'm reading... At that point, you're hosed anyway.
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Very nice Apple. But sadly, it will most likely get a backdoor for the DEA to eavesdrop, so in reality it will be only useful against crackers.
Why? Given enough entropy, a code can be so time consuming that it becomes virtually impossible to decode.

The NSA have possibly the worlds most powerful super computer... which will be upgraded as new encryption tools arise. They also have the worlds most advanced cryptologists.
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The NSA have possibly the worlds most powerful super computer... which will be upgraded as new encryption tools arise. They also have the worlds most advanced cryptologists.

However, they cannot violate the laws of arithmatic.
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However, they cannot violate the laws of arithmatic.

No, but they can spread the load appropriately across enough nodes to crack any encryption.

If it takes one computer, mathmatically, 1,000 years to crack the encryption... imagine how long it takes 1,000 nodes?... 100,000?
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No, but they can spread the load appropriately across enough nodes to crack any encryption.

If it takes one computer, mathmatically, 1,000 years to crack the encryption... imagine how long it takes 1,000 nodes?... 100,000?

Even the mighty Amazon EC2 cloud servers cry at the prospect of a simple 10 character password....



I'm not saying it couldnt be done. It is true that if they get lucky, they could get it in the first five seconds. However, that's of course quite unlikely.
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The NSA have possibly the worlds most powerful super computer... which will be upgraded as new encryption tools arise. They also have the worlds most advanced cryptologists.
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No, but they can spread the load appropriately across enough nodes to crack any encryption.

If it takes one computer, mathmatically, 1,000 years to crack the encryption... imagine how long it takes 1,000 nodes?... 100,000?

I don't think you quite get this whole thing...
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^ I think you guys misunderstand the power of a billions of dollars on budget directed on this very stuff?

Billions of dolalrs directed for war creates hover jets and stealth bombers... Space exploration, manned moon missions. You think the NSA with a similar budget cannot fund a computer powerful enough to make these encryption methods weep?
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^ I think you guys misunderstand the power of a billions of dollars on budget directed on this very stuff?

Billions of dolalrs directed for war creates hover jets and stealth bombers... Space exploration, manned moon missions. You think the NSA with a similar budget cannot fund a computer powerful enough to make these encryption methods weep?

you could make similar arguments about why they should have intergalactic space travel or time machines...money and previous impressive successes doesn't suddenly mean "anything is possible." the basic premise of this article is that some types of encryption are effectively impossible to crack and people have given explanations/evidence about why this is so....

this is kind of similar to iran (maybe six months ago) complaining about not being able to crack bbm messaging...honestly, i think it is in the interests of the free world to have such encryption available. considering the massive threat industrial espionage poses. sure it has its downsides for the usfg too, but it seems to overall have net benefits
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