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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/4/

There is still one technology preventing untrammeled government access to private digital data: strong encryption. Anyone—from terrorists and weapons dealers to corporations, financial institutions, and ordinary email senders—can use it to seal their messages, plans, photos, and documents in hardened data shells. For years, one of the hardest shells has been the Advanced Encryption Standard, one of several algorithms used by much of the world to encrypt data. Available in three different strengths—128 bits, 192 bits, and 256 bits—it’s incorporated in most commercial email programs and web browsers and is considered so strong that the NSA has even approved its use for top-secret US government communications. Most experts say that a so-called brute-force computer attack on the algorithm—trying one combination after another to unlock the encryption—would likely take longer than the age of the universe. For a 128-bit cipher, the number of trial-and-error attempts would be 340 undecillion (1036).

Breaking into those complex mathematical shells like the AES is one of the key reasons for the construction going on in Bluffdale. That kind of cryptanalysis requires two major ingredients: super-fast computers to conduct brute-force attacks on encrypted messages and a massive number of those messages for the computers to analyze. The more messages from a given target, the more likely it is for the computers to detect telltale patterns, and Bluffdale will be able to hold a great many messages. “We questioned it one time,” says another source, a senior intelligence manager who was also involved with the planning. “Why were we building this NSA facility? And, boy, they rolled out all the old guys—the crypto guys.” According to the official, these experts told then-director of national intelligence Dennis Blair, “You’ve got to build this thing because we just don’t have the capability of doing the code-breaking.” It was a candid admission. In the long war between the code breakers and the code makers—the tens of thousands of cryptographers in the worldwide computer security industry—the code breakers were admitting defeat.

This is some next level encryption breaking going on. They are combining new private ways of breaking encryption combined with billion dollar hardware. It can be done. Your "quantum argument is the general public analysis of encryption. You don't spend billions of dollars if you don't think its feasible.

lol, a few things on this...

1. Arguing with Duckie on a topic like this never turns out well. Dude knows his stuff.

2. The government throws billions of dollars at stuff it thinks is feasible all of the time. How often does it work out as they thought? Lets say this is finished and they now can decrypt something that used to take a year in a week (over 50 times faster). That's still a week later and the groups can be constantly changing keys. Decrypting something about what is going to happen the next day a week later doesn't help. The USA spent billions because they thought Iraq had WMD's.

3. His reference to quantum tunneling was something known as hyperbole.
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An internal Drug Enforcement Administration document seen by CNET discusses a February 2013 criminal investigation and warns that because of the use of encryption, "it is impossible to intercept iMessages between two Apple devices" even with a court order approved by a federal judge.

Um... did anybody notice this guy used the word "intercept". That would mean they weren't even able to get the encrypted message, let alone decrypt it. I think I found out why they are having issues...
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I don't care if the gov reads my iMessages. I have nothing to hide.

Don't see what the big deal is, are you guys using iMessage to do illegal things? Like is anyone dumb enough to text their weed dealer "hey bro you got dat marijuana?" ?

If you have nothing to hide, them being able to read your texts would mean they can dismiss your status as a suspect if nothing fishy is going on.

I'm always careful what I text... I can post my entire text messaging and iMessage history and from that you will have no clue where I live, what I do, where my friends live etc. I even have non standard nicknames for all my hangouts. Trust nobody and nothing but yourself, your family and the friends you would take a bullet for.
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I don't care if the gov reads my iMessages. I have nothing to hide.

Don't see what the big deal is, are you guys using iMessage to do illegal things? Like is anyone dumb enough to text their weed dealer "hey bro you got dat marijuana?" ?

If you have nothing to hide, them being able to read your texts would mean they can dismiss your status as a suspect if nothing fishy is going on.

I'm always careful what I text... I can post my entire text messaging and iMessage history and from that you will have no clue where I live, what I do, where my friends live etc.

it's relevant to corporations, who require security.

but generally i think the dea are idiots and don't care if they can read such messages. they oppose legalization of marijuana, the #1 drug by volume brought into the US by gangs. legalizing would be a major blow for international crime, but hey they might lose funding then...
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No, but they can spread the load appropriately across enough nodes to crack any encryption.

If it takes one computer, mathmatically, 1,000 years to crack the encryption... imagine how long it takes 1,000 nodes?... 100,000?

sorry bud doesn't look like you have a clue.
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it's relevant to corporations, who require security.

but generally i think the dea are idiots and don't care if they can read such messages. they oppose legalization of marijuana, the #1 drug by volume brought into the US by gangs. legalizing would be a major blow for international crime, but hey they might lose funding then...

Are you sure corporations are using iMessage as their means of communication? I work for Canada's largest privately owned IT solutions provider and I can assure you all our clients use email for communication.
    
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Are you sure corporations are using iMessage as their means of communication? I work for Canada's largest privately owned IT solutions provider and I can assure you all our clients use email for communication.

they use it in the same way they'd use bbm, i'd assume, though i don't really know. i just assume that is part of the appeal, since the adoption rate of iphones and ios is very high at least among us corporations
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Nice. This is actually something I can praise Apple for.
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sorry bud doesn't look like you have a clue.

Well, I do. Maybe you underestimate the computers they have at the NSA? The worlds best cryptographers work there.
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It amazes me how brazen our government is about domestic surveillance of we the citizens. I feel like 50 years ago people would screaming revolution now we just cheer for Apple. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by Scorpion667 View Post

I don't care if the gov reads my iMessages. I have nothing to hide.

This is the worst excuse for having your civil liberties and right to privacy violated. "I have nothing to hide". You deserve neither liberty nor security if you so callously cast aside your contempt for being spied on.
Edited by Internets - 4/5/13 at 9:47am
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LOL! biggrin.gif

In Denmark we have a law against encryption over 256 bit.. Since PET (the danish FBI) can't decrypt it.. So law was made so the government by auto can get the live address's of our IP's, and surveillance our butts, if we use 512 bit rolleyes.gif
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