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Well, I do. Maybe you underestimate the computers they have at the NSA? The worlds best cryptographers work there.

This statement doesn't really say much. World's best cryptographers? -this is subjective.
 
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Well, I do. Maybe you underestimate the computers they have at the NSA? The worlds best cryptographers work there.

They also pour millions into funding companies like Cray so they get the latest HW before it goes public...
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The USA spent billions because they thought Iraq had WMD's.

Say what? Did you not hear about that CIA women being under oath, admiding the CIA intelligence group never told the government there had been WMD.... I know some Americans still deny it, but i guess it's like those few Germans saying there was never any Jews being slaughtered in WW2
Edited by Waszipa - 4/5/13 at 10:11am
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Say what? Did you not hear about that CIA women being under oath, admiding the CIA intelligence group never told the government there had been WMD.... I know some Americans still deny it, but i guess it's like those few Germans saying there was never any Jews being slaughtered in WW2

*gasp* you mean, people HAVE to tell the truth under oath? People NEVER lie while under oath? I didn't know everyone in the CIA knew everything there was to know about anything!! I had no idea!! I bet next week, they're going to go under oath and tell us how JFK was really shot, and the week after that reveal all the alien tech being housed at Area-51!!!!
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Say what? Did you not hear about that CIA women being under oath, admiding the CIA intelligence group never told the government there had been WMD.... I know some Americans still deny it, but i guess it's like those few Germans saying there was never any Jews being slaughtered in WW2

For sure I would agree that the US government had ample information that would suggest there were no WMD's.

Aside from this, I would argue that it is only a matter of time before AES gets cracked so long as there is funding being dumped into it - especially with the NSA plant in Utah. I mean they have YOTTABYTES of storage. That's frigin CRAZY space. They are literally archiving the entire internet. You can't possibly compare Amazon servers to this plant - its night and day difference.
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It amazes me how brazen our government is about domestic surveillance of we the citizens. I feel like 50 years ago people would screaming revolution now we just cheer for Apple. rolleyes.gif
This is the worst excuse for having your civil liberties and right to privacy violated. "I have nothing to hide". You deserve neither liberty nor security if you so callously cast aside your contempt for being spied on.

Assuming there was no corruption, you would be right. Privacy and civil rights become a joke when you witness corruption first hand. They also become a joke when the government considers changing your bill of rights to better suit the music industry. The government cares about the deep pockets of billion dollar corporations much more than they will ever care about your privacy and civil rights. The truth is, if someone gives the word, if someone with power decides to, your rights and privacy are gone. You go ahead and leave your privacy in the hands of a corrupt government while I take it into my own hands.
    
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^ I think you guys misunderstand the power of a billions of dollars on budget directed on this very stuff?

Billions of dolalrs directed for war creates hover jets and stealth bombers... Space exploration, manned moon missions. You think the NSA with a similar budget cannot fund a computer powerful enough to make these encryption methods weep?

Money doesn't crack encryption. Math does and math says it's impractical. So yes, I do believe the NSA with a similar budget cannot crack it.
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Sounds like spin to me, Apple probably uses Blowfish or some variant, since it's Apples favorite license next to BSD, there is no license. Just because the DEA can't crack it doesn't mean anything any Joe Shmoe has access to encryption the government can't break, (Well according to the NSA, not if you live outside the USA rolleyes.gif ) they can just go to the wireless provider and get the contents.
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Money doesn't crack encryption. Math does and math says it's impractical. So yes, I do believe the NSA with a similar budget cannot crack it.

This. The NSA is using the same math everyone else is using and math doesn't lie.
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*gasp* you mean, people HAVE to tell the truth under oath? People NEVER lie while under oath? I didn't know everyone in the CIA knew everything there was to know about anything!! I had no idea!! I bet next week, they're going to go under oath and tell us how JFK was really shot, and the week after that reveal all the alien tech being housed at Area-51!!!!

And here we got one of those americans that live in self-denial. "No no there was never any of those concentration camps those weird west forces are talking about and showing pictures off, no no no no......"

Besides if you where right (you're not) what was the benefit, of stating that the key Americans leader knew the war was on fake basics, for CIA, The government, the CIA agent??

Apparently was the reason for her being under oath in the first place that MOST of the government didn't know what had been going on and needed the truth, rather then backing a war made on reasons yet unknown
Edited by Waszipa - 4/5/13 at 11:30am
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