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I figured anything over 1gpm would be good. I used the charts on martins liquid labs to figure everything out before I bought my parts. With 2 aquastream xt's I'm getting 1.1gpm on the default settings. That's with the Cuplex Kryos HF, full ek water blocks for the mb, flow sensor, 9' of 3/4" tubing, flow sensor and 2x Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper Triple 120mm Radiators. (Overkill, I know. =)

The XT's don't have the greatest flow rates but they have good head pressure and I wanted something ultra quiet. I have been pretty happy with the setup so far.



The op's dual head swiftech should provide much better flow rates than me with the smaller loop. thumb.gif

I agree with that pump he'll never have a flow rate problem, I was looking at those aquastreams for a while but ended up going with D5's
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Do you think I'll be fine with the 3 rads.... I pumped up to 3 way SLI with the titans... So the titan 3 way sli, CPU and then the mosphets? 360 rad and 2 240 rads?
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Do you think I'll be fine with the 3 rads.... I pumped up to 3 way SLI with the titans... So the titan 3 way sli, CPU and then the mosphets? 360 rad and 2 240 rads?

yes that will be fine,

as a general of thumb If you want to work it out you should give yourself 120mm of rad for every chip your cooling so 3GPU+CPU+MOSFET is 5 and you have 7x120mm I like to take 25% of the slim rad but you're still good then

If you really want to get technical calculate the heat dissipation of the rad and compare it to the TDP of the stuff you need to cool
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Do you think I'll be fine with the 3 rads.... I pumped up to 3 way SLI with the titans... So the titan 3 way sli, CPU and then the mosphets? 360 rad and 2 240 rads?

You will be fine with all those radiator.

BUT

With all the gear you will have and money you will put in you rig, I suggest adding a T-Block somewhere in the loop with a Sensor plug.

That way, you will know your water temperature and compare it to the ambient. (A delta under 10'C between water emperature and ambient is considered as a good loop)

T-Block + Extender (not to affect the flow) + sensor plug

(The T-Block with extender is just for the Temperature Sensor Pin to not affect the flow of the water)

+ +

(So T-Block + female-female coupler + Temperature sensor)


And plug the sensor into one of your Thermal Sensor cable connectors (refer to your Asus Rampage IV Extreme User Guide)

I did a quick picture where you can find those Connectors on the board (I use Aida64 Extreme to monitor my temperature)

Aida64 Extreme! (Click to show)



Edited by KaRLiToS - 4/6/13 at 3:30pm
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You will be fine with all those radiator.

BUT

With all the gear you will have and money you will put in you rig, I suggest adding a T-Block somewhere in the loop with a Sensor plug.

That way, you will know your water temperature and compare it to the ambient. (A delta under 10'C between water emperature and ambient is considered as a good loop)

T-Block + Extender (not to affect the flow) + sensor plug

(The T-Block with extender is just for the Temperature Sensor Pin to not affect the flow of the water)

+ +

(So T-Block + female-female coupler + Temperature sensor)


And plug the sensor into one of your Thermal Sensor cable connectors (refer to your Asus Rampage IV Extreme User Guide)

I did a quick picture where you can find those Connectors on the board (I use Aida64 Extreme to monitor my temperature)

Aida64 Extreme! (Click to show)



Oh Sh** I forgot to get a temp sensor and flow meter with my order, just realised. Karlitos would I be able to make by with just checking CPU temps on speedfan?
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post #16 of 21
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Oh Sh** I forgot to get a temp sensor and flow meter with my order, just realised. Karlitos would I be able to make by with just checking CPU temps on speedfan?

That doesn't really tell you how efficient your flow rates and radiators are working. The premise is that the closer the actual water temps are to ambient room temp the more efficient job your radiators are doing.

If you were getting large spikes in water temp with a large delta between temperatures it means you don't have enough radiator for the amount of heat you are trying to dissipate, radiator air flow is lacking or your water flow rates are lacking.



I usually have about a 2C delta between case temp and actual water temp with general use. Haven't really done any temp logging while under p95.

Checking the temps with speed fan will keep you from burning up your cpu but it's not going to tell you whats lacking in your system or how to improve your temp readings if you run into issues somehwere.
Edited by zer0patches - 4/6/13 at 6:35pm
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Oooooooooo :O Very cool and thank you very much for mentioning that Karlitos, I will definitely be doing so for my new loop.. I'll just add that into my budget.
So funny your post here.... I've seen your Rig on Youtube, Quad damage RIG. VERY IMPRESSIVE. I love the way you've done the lighting and the branding on your PC. It's beautiful.. I'd love something like that for my Rig!
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Well I have ordered about 9x 120mm of XSPC RX Rad space for 2 GPU's a mobo and CPU I am very confident that it should be able to cool twice what I have.
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Oooooooooo :O Very cool and thank you very much for mentioning that Karlitos, I will definitely be doing so for my new loop.. I'll just add that into my budget.
So funny your post here.... I've seen your Rig on Youtube, Quad damage RIG. VERY IMPRESSIVE. I love the way you've done the lighting and the branding on your PC. It's beautiful.. I'd love something like that for my Rig!

No problem and thanks my friend thumb.gif

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Oh Sh** I forgot to get a temp sensor and flow meter with my order, just realised. Karlitos would I be able to make by with just checking CPU temps on speedfan?


Unfortunately no, you need to have the exact water temperature.
  • ( I can have CPU at 70'C and GPU(4) at 40'C and Water temp will touch 34'C with ambient temperature of 27'C)
  • ( I can have CPU at 45'C and GPU(4) at 50'C and Water temp will touch 31'C with ambient temperature of 26'C)


So many factors
  • Ambient
  • CPU load
  • CPU temp
  • GPU load
  • GPU temperature


To see the ambient I check on the room thermostat or even better... I bought this to calculate the ambient inside the computer.

XSPC LCD Display Temperature Sensor - Red

8,95$




More info on the Delta Temparature ( Water Temp -minus Ambient temp = Delta )


SOURCE
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Delta T (DT) and Why it’s so Important to Understand it

DT is the foundation of your water cooling loop. The better your DT, the cooler your chips are. In water cooling, DT is simply the difference between the ambient air temperature and the water temperature on the outgoing side of the radiator. Room temperature vs. water temperature: that’s it. You can’t remove all the heat – no system is 100% efficient, nor can you go below ambient room temperature.
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When you boot up a powered off, water-cooled PC, the water and your CPU are at room temperature. When you boot the PC up, the chip gets hot very fast. The water moves over the chip, it begins to remove heat, the heat goes to the radiator, and some of the heat is removed. Not all of it can be removed. You have to know a lot of thermodynamics theory deeply (more than me) to know exactly why. The water begins to warm up slowly, and in time it reaches a balance: an equilibrium. Heat is made and heat removed, the loop is stabilized and temperatures will not change.

If you change the room temperature, the load on the loop or your fan speed, the loop needs to readjust. This is when we like to measure our cooling ability – usually 30 minutes at a stable load is long enough to begin to measure. If you increase your cooling capability, the water will get cooler.

Water temperatures in a stabilized loop, amazingly, are very similar anywhere in the loop. There is only a 2-3°C maximum difference between the radiator out temperature and the CPU out temperature; this has been verified by Skinnee. Remember, the water can’t remove all the heat, some is transferred to the air. Your radiator size, efficiency and fans play a big part in this. Look at it this way – it’s a system built on many parts and within the laws of physics. Every part affects the other.

Let’s Talk About What a “Good” DT is

A CPU loop needs a good DT. Under 10°C is just fine, getting closer to 5°C is very nice and important if you want big overclocks. Getting under 5°C is just overdoing it, unless you’re very extreme, need it for benching or just want a challenge. On an average CPU loop shoot for under 10°C and adjust your overclocks to be fine under the temperatures suggested by the CPU and GPU manufacturers.

A GPU loop used to be fine with a 15° to 20°C DT. If you’re a big GPU overclocker, then shoot for 15°C or lower. The Voltage Regulator Modules (VRM) on these new cards can be affected by temps. If you’ve got a GTX 280 like me, don’t worry about it, it’s the 5970 and the GTX480 and other really hot cards that can have this issue. A lower DT might be needed for a GPU loop if you’re a big overclocker – thats up to you as you design your setup
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ok so a water temp guage is a must then. sorry wallet guiltysmiley.gif
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