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At the price of the modular 650W Rosewill CAPSTONE Series, it might be silly to get any other PSU.

Where did you read that a 650W PSU is needed to power a system that has two 650 Ti Boosts in it?

Well, I'm unsure whether the the source is reliable but assuming that I may SLI this card in the future, they recommend at least 600W.
Source

I've also read a Guru3D review on the card and they recommend at least 500W but from what I skimmed through, it seems like they are talking about a single GPU.
Source

And if I do need to go for at least 600W, then I will switch my current PSU choice with your recommended PSU. The reason why I didn't choose it was perhaps my doubt in rebates. But I can give them a shot I suppose.
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I am not fully sure, but wouldn't this be a far better CPU and still keep you under?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286

I know the vishera line is fairly new.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think this might be a better GPU for the money. Just looking at benchies really quick...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161424

I think you will still be under 800..... Around 784 ish.....

I am not sure about the Vishera line CPU either, if anyone else can confirm whether upping the CPU to a Vishera from a Phenom II worth the money please let me know. As for the GPU, the same link (first one) I posted above show's some benchmarks in which a single 650 Ti Boost performs better then the HD 7850. But like I said earlier, I'm not sure whether the source is as reliable as I think it is.
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Um, can anyone tell what powerphase that mobo is? Also, like selluminis said, why am3? I understand the Phenom's ipc are a little bit more efficient, but that's about it. AM3+ is what they're focusing on now. Might as well get a board and processor for the times. A good combo would keep you under $800 as well.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Forgive me as I'm still learning.
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I know. Was just giving you a hard time.

 

Yeah, but I had to make sure to beat anyone to the punch who might decide to take it too far. :)

 

 

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I fully agree with you though. Would be a lot better to get a higher end 550w psu then a cheap 650w psu.

 

Or a high-end 650W for only $4.01 more than the one he's looking at. hehe

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Yeah, but I had to make sure to beat anyone to the punch who might decide to take it too far. smile.gif



Or a high-end 650W for only $4.01 more than the one he's looking at. hehe

Agreed.
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Well, I'm unsure whether the the source is reliable but assuming that I may SLI this card in the future, they recommend at least 600W.
Source

I've also read a Guru3D review on the card and they recommend at least 500W but from what I skimmed through, it seems like they are talking about a single GPU.
Source

And if I do need to go for at least 600W, then I will switch my current PSU choice with your recommended PSU. The reason why I didn't choose it was perhaps my doubt in rebates. But I can give them a shot I suppose.
I am not sure about the Vishera line CPU either, if anyone else can confirm whether upping the CPU to a Vishera from a Phenom II worth the money please let me know. As for the GPU, the same link (first one) I posted above show's some benchmarks in which a single 650 Ti Boost performs better then the HD 7850. But like I said earlier, I'm not sure whether the source is as reliable as I think it is.
I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Forgive me as I'm still learning.

 

I only asked because I want to show this to you:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost_review,4.html

 

With one GTX 650 Ti Boost under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 224W from the wall outlet. The video card pulled 135W by itself, so adding that to the 224W for two 650 Ti Boosts in SLI comes to 359W being pulled from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so I'll just add 150W for an overclocked CPU (it could probably get up to ~200W for some of AMD's latest CPUs). This makes the PSU pulling 509W from the wall outlet. So, if the PSU is 90% efficient while pulling 509W from the wall outlet, then the system is pulling 458W from the PSU. The gaming power draw will be closer to about 375W to 425, perhaps as high as 450W at times.

 

So, these video cards don't pull much power at all.

 

Now you'll notice that they recommend a 650W to power a system that has two 650 Ti Boosts in it. This is referring to peak-rated PSUs. The typical 650W peak-rated PSU will have a +12V capacity of about 456W (38A) to around 480W (40A). That's still less than the 458W I found above from their power consumption tests. So, that's why they recommend a 650W PSU. To put it into perspective, there are a few quality-made 520W PSUs that have a +12V capacity of 480W. The 650W Capstone's +12V capacity is 648W. The 550W Capstone's +12V capacity is 546W. The 450W Capstone's +12V capacity is 444W. These aren't the only PSUs with these +12V capacities in the 450-650W range; they're just quick examples.

 

Speaking of having a +12V capacity of 444W, that means you could probably play most games with a high-end 450W PSU like that one and still have enough power because your gaming power consumption will be around 375-425W. ;)

 

So yeah, a quality-made 550W is enough, but the prices right now make it hard for me to recommend anything but the modular 650W Rosewill Capstone. I mean, I could recommend the 550W SeaSonic G Series, but it's $89.99 shipped too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119


Edited by TwoCables - 4/4/13 at 10:18pm
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post #15 of 96
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I only asked because I want to show this to you:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost_review,4.html

With one GTX 650 Ti Boost under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 224W from the wall outlet. The video card pulled 135W by itself, so adding that to the 224W for two 650 Ti Boosts in SLI comes to 359W being pulled from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so I'll just add 150W for an overclocked CPU (it could probably get up to ~200W for some of AMD's latest CPUs). This makes the PSU pulling 509W from the wall outlet. So, if the PSU is 90% efficient while pulling 509W from the wall outlet, then the system is pulling 458W from the PSU. The gaming power draw will be closer to about 375W to 425, perhaps as high as 450W at times.

So, these video cards don't pull much power at all.

Now you'll notice that they recommend a 650W to power a system that has two 650 Ti Boosts in it. This is referring to peak-rated PSUs. The typical 650W peak-rated PSU will have a +12V capacity of about 456W (38A) to around 480W (40A). That's still less than the 458W I found above from their power consumption tests. So, that's why they recommend a 650W PSU. To put it into perspective, there are a few quality-made 520W PSUs that have a +12V capacity of 480W. The 650W Capstone's +12V capacity is 648W. The 550W Capstone's +12V capacity is 546W. The 450W Capstone's +12V capacity is 444W. These aren't the only PSUs with these +12V capacities in the 450-650W range; they're just quick examples.

Speaking of having a +12V capacity of 444W, that means you could probably play most games with a high-end 450W PSU like that one and still have enough power because your gaming power consumption will be around 375-425W. wink.gif

So yeah, a quality-made 550W is enough, but the prices right now make it hard for me to recommend anything but the modular 650W Rosewill Capstone. I mean, I could recommend the 550W SeaSonic G Series, but it's $89.99 shipped too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

Man, Seasonic is a really good PSU. That is what I am using now, x series 1050watt, and will probably stick with them on future builds.
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I only asked because I want to show this to you:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_650_ti_boost_review,4.html

With one GTX 650 Ti Boost under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 224W from the wall outlet. The video card pulled 135W by itself, so adding that to the 224W for two 650 Ti Boosts in SLI comes to 359W being pulled from the wall outlet. Their CPU was idling, so I'll just add 150W for an overclocked CPU (it could probably get up to ~200W for some of AMD's latest CPUs). This makes the PSU pulling 509W from the wall outlet. So, if the PSU is 90% efficient while pulling 509W from the wall outlet, then the system is pulling 458W from the PSU. The gaming power draw will be closer to about 375W to 425, perhaps as high as 450W at times.

So, these video cards don't pull much power at all.

Now you'll notice that they recommend a 650W to power a system that has two 650 Ti Boosts in it. This is referring to peak-rated PSUs. The typical 650W peak-rated PSU will have a +12V capacity of about 456W (38A) to around 480W (40A). That's still less than the 458W I found above from their power consumption tests. So, that's why they recommend a 650W PSU. To put it into perspective, there are a few quality-made 520W PSUs that have a +12V capacity of 480W. The 650W Capstone's +12V capacity is 648W. The 550W Capstone's +12V capacity is 546W. The 450W Capstone's +12V capacity is 444W. These aren't the only PSUs with these +12V capacities in the 450-650W range; they're just quick examples.

Speaking of having a +12V capacity of 444W, that means you could probably play most games with a high-end 450W PSU like that one and still have enough power because your gaming power consumption will be around 375-425W. wink.gif

So yeah, a quality-made 550W is enough, but the prices right now make it hard for me to recommend anything but the modular 650W Rosewill Capstone. I mean, I could recommend the 550W SeaSonic G Series, but it's $89.99 shipped too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

Kind of confusing details here but I'm starting to understand what you mean. Good to know, and I will definitely take on your recommendation.
post #17 of 96
going with Vishera x6 is a much better option.
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going with Vishera x6 is a much better option.

Thought so.
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Man, Seasonic is a really good PSU. That is what I am using now, x series 1050watt, and will probably stick with them on future builds.

 

Or you can go with whatever PSU has the best price because having a brand loyalty with PSUs can be costly. ;)

 

 

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Kind of confusing details here but I'm starting to understand what you mean. Good to know, and I will definitely take on your recommendation.

 

I would like to try to clarify anything that you find confusing.

 

Alternatively, I would also recommend reading it a few more times. It's a large amount of information to take in.

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Anyways... I tend to think that motherboard doesn't support SLI, for one it doesn't come with an SLI bridge, and ASRock says nothing about it on their site: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/970%20Extreme3/

But it seems like a lot of people here think you should use a different platform anyways.
    
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