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The capacity of this PSU is major overkill here (even for two 650s because they don't pull much power at all), however you'd be paying $85.98 after shipping for this PSU. For $89.99 shipped ($4.01 more), you can get the 650W Rosewill CAPSTONE Modular Cable Version Series, and then there's a $15 rebate card making it $74.99 shipped later on down the road. This is a high-end PSU that kind of blows the HIVE Series out of the water. wink.gif

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182263

yeah, nows a good time to buy that capstone 650M thumb.gif
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Expansion / Connectivity
Slots - 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (PCIE2 @ x16 mode; PCIE4 @ x4 mode)
- 2 x PCI Express 2.0 x1 slots
- 2 x PCI slots
- Supports AMD Quad CrossFireX™ and CrossFireX™

Copied from your link to asrock website.

Supports sli and xfire, however the 2nd card only runs @ pcie 2.0 x4, which wont make a huge difference on mid range cards.

here what a quick google search came up with if you are considering pcie 2.0 x4(say hi to linus for me wave2.gif) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vfXALgE7mVM#!

Well it says CROSSFIRE but not SLI, you can assume it does SLI based on that, but its strange they don't state it explicitly.
    
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If you didnt care about SLI/XFIRE

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $787.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Edited by LuckySe7ens - 4/5/13 at 12:11am
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If you didnt care about SLI/XFIRE

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $787.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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You're builds are helping see different scenarios on how I can build my PC. Just out of curiosity, aren't the 6-cores+ virtual cores? I may not be making any sense, but I recall reading something about this. Will this have any impact on performance, good or bad?

EDIT: Also, what's the difference, if any, between ATX and Micro-ATX? Is it just limited features such as less ports, etc?
Edited by G2O415 - 4/5/13 at 12:27am
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You're builds are helping see different scenarios on how I can build my PC. Just out of curiosity, aren't the 6-cores+ virtual cores? I may not be making any sense, but I recall reading something about this. Will this have any impact on performance, good or bad?

EDIT: Also, what's the difference, if any, between ATX and Micro-ATX? Is it just limited features such as less ports, etc?

micro is a small PCB. Basically limits the amount of connections. Generally, you will only have 1 pci-e slot and maybe a pci-e 1x or pci slot.
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Well it says CROSSFIRE but not SLI, you can assume it does SLI based on that, but its strange they don't state it explicitly.

Right, having 2 pci-e 16x slots does not mean it will support sli. In this case it appears to only support cross fire/x. Also, you can run 1 discrete GPU coupled with an APU for cross fire as well.
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You're builds are helping see different scenarios on how I can build my PC. Just out of curiosity, aren't the 6-cores+ virtual cores? I may not be making any sense, but I recall reading something about this. Will this have any impact on performance, good or bad?

EDIT: Also, what's the difference, if any, between ATX and Micro-ATX? Is it just limited features such as less ports, etc?

Perfect, thats what I was going for. thumb.gif

The 6 cores are 3 "modules", with 6 cores and some shared resources (like L3 cache). What that means is that performance per core is say a bit less than Intel generally when all cores are being utilized.

However gaming performance both stock and overclocked, the FX chips are better than the old phenom II's now, and the 6300 and 8320 are serious bang/buck ATM.
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micro is a small PCB. Basically limits the amount of connections. Generally, you will only have 1 pci-e slot and maybe a pci-e 1x or pci slot.

This is the major factor, generally compared to budget boards like the asrock 970 extreme 3 there isnt a huge difference. Similar VRM design, and these particular boards both have VRM coolers too.

However there are no "enthusiast" boards superior to this one, so if you want to push 5ghz on an FX then you have to step up to ATX boards unfortunately.
This particular matx Gigabyte board will support safe overclocking, however you wont get really serious with an 8 core on this thing due to power delivery limitations. wink.gif
Edited by LuckySe7ens - 4/5/13 at 6:18am
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post #38 of 96
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If you didnt care about SLI/XFIRE

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($72.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($47.98 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.98 @ Outlet PC)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($92.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($234.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 450W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $787.81
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I have the Sapphire Radeon 7870 XT, and I'm very happy with it biggrin.gif
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You're builds are helping see different scenarios on how I can build my PC. Just out of curiosity, aren't the 6-cores+ virtual cores? I may not be making any sense, but I recall reading something about this. Will this have any impact on performance, good or bad?

EDIT: Also, what's the difference, if any, between ATX and Micro-ATX? Is it just limited features such as less ports, etc?

No, the cores are physical cores. The only thing is that they are in pairs and share resources. It lowers their processing ability a bit, but it allows for lower cost per core. Well, it's the size and spec of the board. The reason why m-ATX has less ports and features is because of the decreased size. So 6 physical cores = 3 sets of shared cache and the like.

EDIT: ... Might should actually finish reading the thread before posting. Lol
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Phenom IIs are OLD. While none of your listed games demand all that much from the CPU and would thus run fine, a lot of games coming out required some oomph from the CPU. I'd recommend either an overclocked fx-6300 or a locked i5 for your budget range.

As for the 650 Ti Boost, it looks to be a very nice mid-range card, roughly equivalent (maybe just a touch better) than a 7850. So basically if you're buying in that range and you see it at exactly the same price or cheaper than the 7850, go for it. On the other hand, if you see a 7850 for less, you might go for that instead. You can SLI it - but I generally think that's a bad idea. Know what's better than SLI? Not spending the extra $70 you need on a better motherboard & PSU to run SLI and just buying a better video card up front (like a 7870 xt). Particularly when maxxxed graphics isn't a high priority. Besides which, a lot of people build their computer to handle SLI or Crossfire then never get around to it, essentially just wasting money.

AMD fx-6300 ($140)
http://us.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=106
If you're not into overclocking, you should ABSOLUTELY go for a locked i5, like an i5-3350p + cheap 1155 mobo. It'll definitely surpass a non-overclocked fx chip.

Gigabyte 970a-ud3 ($100)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62402&vpn=GA%2D970A%2DUD3&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1277
Strong overclocking motherboard, relatively cheap (because no SLI capability)

Xigmatek Gaia Cooler ($20)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082&Tpk=xigmatek%20gaia&IsVirtualParent=1

If a free copy of Bioshock & Tomb Raider is a significant bonus to you, definitely get this Sapphire 7850 instead. It's also $15 cheaper than the boost. ($170, $155 AMIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202004

PSU: XFX Core 450w ($53 before rebate) The 650w version of this PSU is $75
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238&vpn=P1450SX2B9&manufacture=XFX&promoid=1257

Case: Bit Fenix Oulaw ($49) Decent, cheaper, I think looks better.
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63255&vpn=BFC%2DOLW%2D100%2DKKN1%2DRP&manufacture=BitFenix&promoid=1395

RAM: Nice promo code find ($51)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148544&nm_mc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r&cm_mmc=OTC-pr1c3grabb3r-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Crucial-_-20148544

SSD for $5 less ($95)
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=77210&vpn=MZ%2D7TD120BW&manufacture=Samsung%20Memory%20%26%20Storage&promoid=1277
you'll likely need an HDD too if you're not recycling one\

Sound Card - this is tricky. You want to make sure you have something that has all the input options you need. You're probably not going to look at traditional gaming sound cards. I included a relatively cheap option as a stand-in. The M-Audio 2496 (has only MIDI & S/PDIF I/O) for $70.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/217906-REG/M_Audio_9900_50765_00_Audiophile_2496_PCI_Digital.html
But look at this list for possible other options!!!:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Brand_Line+6&ci=14834&N=4294550051+4291352492+4291467820+4291365553

Total: $748. (Getting better cost-efficient components like mobo, case, etc, let me fit a sound card in with the same budget.) Which leaves you a little room for modifications like a better heatsink (thermalright HR-02 Macho) or better recording sound device.

P.S. Don't forget to thank (e-mail) your e-sports sponsors and tell them what you bought!
Newegg - team Complexity
NCIX - CSL (Collegiate Star League)
AMD - Dreamhack, various other sponsorships
Gigabyte - Gigabyte E-sports LAN, occasional tiny weeklies
Sapphire - a few small online cups, Dreamhack
Samsung - team Samsung Khan, WCG
Edited by MisterFred - 4/5/13 at 9:16am
    
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Looking at various builds and recommendation, I'm starting to see some changes I can make to my current list. Like I mentioned in my first post, I currently don't have the money yet but I gave a good idea of what my budget will look like when I do have the money. Embarrassing, yes, but I like to get an idea of how things will look like the moment I can get my parts and possibly cash in a better promo in the future (hopefully soon enough). Also, some of the recommended parts are either unavailable (which sucks) or sold on a different site. I would prefer Newegg as I can cash in free 2-day shipping from shoprunner, saving me time and perhaps some money. But I suppose if the saving is greater I can buy parts from some sites. Later I will post a new list and I would like some feedback on it.

So far, thanks for all the informative feedback and comments. It's been very great reading all of the posts, talk to you guys soon.
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