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They would but the parts wouldn't be as good.

Take Asrock's best board at the moment, the Z77-OC formula, pretty much made only because of Nick Shih.

Guess when RoG boards really started being excellent? After Asus got a bunch of guys from EVGA's mobo team, including shamino, that also happens to be when EVGA boards started being bad.

Gigabyte's best boards? Made for extreme overclocking, tested by guys like Hicookie.

Just look at the RIVE for example. What market do you think it fits the best? It doesn't have good sound, it doesn't have any dual nic 100 USB port LSI raid controller nonsense, cooling the chipset well was more important than noise factors, it has voltage read points, it has sub-zero sense, it has an unpractical tool that you use to OC in windows, it has VGA hotwire features.

Sure you can use these parts on normal builds and they're great for that, but the innovation comes from the users who push the parts to their limits.
 
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And what if water was the most extreme cooling there was? Would these same overclockers not innovate for that?
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What's the point of the question, water is not the most extreme form of cooling.

If it was then sure they probably would innovate, the stuff that would come out of that would just probably be different. Extreme cooling benefits from different things than water does, most boards are good enough for water anyway. I doubt there would be a similar OCing scene, watercooling in the end is very straight forward and everything would come down to just money and luck in the silicon lottery. You wouldn't need all this modding and all these highest end parts to make the best of chip X.

Quite frankly that sounds horribly boring.
 
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What skill? After you get all the required cooling it's all a matter of getting lucky with the chip.

What skill? It wouldn't susrprise me to know that it took these guys more than 10 hours of just tuning on their voltages/clocks/cooling/etc... to get this overclock stable with no BSODs even with the perfect/golden chips with all the right equipment.
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what do you expect from 1000$ Graphic Card , hope AMD brings something better or at least closer so i can buy it
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What's the point of the question, water is not the most extreme form of cooling.

If it was then sure they probably would innovate, the stuff that would come out of that would just probably be different. Extreme cooling benefits from different things than water does, most boards are good enough for water anyway. I doubt there would be a similar OCing scene, watercooling in the end is very straight forward and everything would come down to just money and luck in the silicon lottery. You wouldn't need all this modding and all these highest end parts to make the best of chip X.

Quite frankly that sounds horribly boring.

Funny that's the same kind of comment that annoys you extreme overclockers. I assure you there is more skill involved with watercooling than that. Look at FtW's Titan scores, most of us aren't even close and if I recall correctly he hard-modded his card for use on water and LN2...
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And what if water was the most extreme cooling there was? Would these same overclockers not innovate for that?

I'm sure before the first guy tried using ln2 on a cpu, water was the extreme cooling in it's day, & people did try to find bigger rads, stronger fans, & ways to make waterblocks more efficient at cooling.
It was before my time but it would make sense that air conditioners got turned into water chillers to make the water colder & drop temps, until someone got the idea to put the evap right onto the cpu instead of in the water, phase cooling is discovered. Dice & ln2 pots from there.

When I joined OCN a few years ago I was an air cooled gamer, looking to see what was the latest & greatest in the PC world to build a new gaming rig, & built a new air cooled rig. But then saw people with the same hardware running faster with better temps, I wanted to try water & did, I got lucky with a good chip & gpus that were faster than the average.
There was a benchmark competition running so ran the benchmark to see how my rig did in comparison, & it did well, but there were a couple guys ahead of me with the similar hardware who did WAY better. I kinda forgot about gaming at this point & started trying to figure out how to do that & found I had more fun tweaking software & working with hardware more than I liked gaming. I started modding hardware & looking for ways to cool better, ended up becoming a benchmark junkie.

It did kinda ruin me for normal cooling though, clocking as high as I could on water used to keep me on the edge of my seat, now getting the highest water cooled clocks doesn't feel like the accomplishment it used to knowing I can beat it easily if I try.
    
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Well, you're in a league of your own on both water and extreme! thumb.gif
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I've never really payed attention to LN2 runs as they have zero bearing on what I like to do with a computer; game. If people like to LN2 stuff just to get a higher number readout on a screenshot, more power to them. wink.gif
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I've never really payed attention to LN2 runs as they have zero bearing on what I like to do with a computer; game. If people like to LN2 stuff just to get a higher number readout on a screenshot, more power to them. wink.gif

It's all just a different facet of the hobby.

Air cooling is great for general ease of use, and there's low probability of something going wrong. Great for those plug 'n' play folks who want a low maintenance system that more or less works out of the box

Water cooling is for those who want to get the most out of their system, and are willing to invest more time, money, and effort to do it. It takes more time to set up a custom loop, and there's more danger to it as a misstep could cost you a piece of hardware, but for the enthusiast it's worth it. This still yields a system suitable for actual use, so it's not too uncommon to see.

LN2 and DICE is pretty much for those who find more enjoyment from the part most of us would consider work, than from an actual usable system. The absolute limit of a piece of hardware only exists as far as one is willing to put in the work to achieve it. There is virtually ZERO practicality to doing this. It requires tons of work, patience, money, and at the end of the day the system takes a heck of a lot of wear and tear. A system built simply for the purpose of seeing how fast it can go in its prime before it burns out. To most, this is pointless, but like most hobbies it's really just about entertaining the people who practice it.

I can only imagine the rush of putting in all the effort, getting a flawless run, and holding the record for fastest hardware in the world, if only temporarily. Sadly, I don't think I'll ever have enough disposable income to do such a thing, but more power to the people who do what they love.

It's technically all the same thing, just done for different reasons.
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