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Need a new PC??

For all of you who wants a awesome gamer build here's some up-to-date article. Theses are the best setups for the budget showed.
1000$ Performance - Add a 2TB HDD and you're golden smile.gif

800$ Enthusiast

600$ Gaming

$1,600 Alternative

Read the articles and then make your shopping list and ask smile.gif I'll be happy to help you point out savings and performance increases compared to the articles. I'll be writing the good advises in this first post, also from other members smile.gif

Advises:
1000$ build:
To save cash simply remove the SSD, but remember a harddisk drive then. This will NOT decrease gaming performance
Edited by Waszipa - 4/6/13 at 1:28am
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You don't need a 240 GB SSD, it doesn't make a magical difference in most games. A 120GB SSD will be enough for OS + probably a couple of games ( BF3 and Skyrim heavily modded mainly benefit from it due to long loading times and texture loading respectively ). Then put the saved money into a better GPU.
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Originally Posted by Skorpian View Post

You don't need a 240 GB SSD, it doesn't make a magical difference in most games. A 120GB SSD will be enough for OS + probably a couple of games ( BF3 and Skyrim heavily modded mainly benefit from it due to long loading times and texture loading respectively ). Then put the saved money into a better GPU.
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Yeah, it all depends on how you want it set up really. On my 64 GB drive, I can comfortably fit Windows 7, all of my programs, and a single mid-size game (less than 20 GB). So, for me, a 120/128 GB drive would probably be enough to fit the OS, regular programs, and then 3 decent sized games, or more smaller games.
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#2 Nope a SDD is not a need, neither are a 3570K mush over a 3470 in actual gaming performance. And why not just a Asrock Z77 Pro3........ Look at the thread, i also posted "There are also links in the articles 1st page to cheaper 600$ + 800$ builds"

#3 Right!!!

Okey basicly you're both right... The SSD is the obvious place to save simply by switching it with a 2TB HDD.

However new techs are making use of the SSD as a super huge catch for the HDD. As far as i can understand it's even possible to make a partion on the SSD, using the rest for OS + program and the 64GB for catch. This will then give you a 2.1TB SSD / HDD hybrid = Super nice windows experience.

That been said i do know games fps don't benefit from SSD, loading times do.
Edited by Waszipa - 4/5/13 at 9:35am
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#2 Nope a SDD is not a need, neither are a 3570K mush over a 3470 in actual gaming performance. And why not just a Asrock Z77 Pro3........ Look at the bloody thread, i also posted "There are also links in the articles 1st page to cheaper 600$ + 800$ builds"

#3 Right!!!

Okey basicly you're both right... The SDD is the obvious place to save simply by switching it with a 2TB HDD.

However new techs are making use of the SDD as a super huge catch for the HDD. As far as i can understand it's even possible to make a partion on the SDD, using ½ for OS + program and the rest for catch. This will then give you a 2.1TB SDD write speed HDD = Super nice windows experience.

That been said i do know games don't benefit from SDD
Well, I still think people can benefit from having an SSD, rather than just an HDD, I just think they might not need such a large SSD. As for the caching, I'm not entirely convinced by it. The performance will be between an HDD and an SSD (though closer to the HDD in most things) but with the current prices of SSDs, it might be better to have an SSD and HDD separately. A lot of the stuff on an average PC won't benefit from the faster speeds (stuff like photos, videos, music and so on) whereas the OS and program files will benefit from being on a standalone SSD rather than an SSD-cached HDD.

I'm not sure if you can partition an SSD like that. You may be right, but I've not read about it before.

tl;dr my recommendation is to buy a suitably sized SSD for OS, programs, and perhaps some games (128 GB is a sweet spot at the minute) and then to use mechanical drives for storing everything else, as it likely wouldn't benefit from being stored on a faster medium anyway.
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Found that I had misunderstood some things and have deleted this post
Edited by Waszipa - 4/5/13 at 9:23am
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Found a article regarding this subject

Notice 3th picture under Setup and Configuration he has the opportunity to chose how mush of the SSD's capacity he wanna use as catch

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/How-it-Works-Intel-SSD-Caching-148/
Edited by Waszipa - 4/5/13 at 9:02am
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#5 Okey since you're not convinde i'll explain a little futher

The SDD catch works like this: You'll will only see one 2.1TB drive and you regular 120GB system SDD drive. When you write stuff to the 2.1TB drive the SDD catch (the 120 GB part of the drive) will then take in all the data up to 120 GB and slowly bleed it into the HDD while not being write active anymore. The read speed from the drive will then be the HDD's read speed and since the new HDD have rather high read speed that's fine. At 4K random transfer, that config will actually be faster then just a SDD tongue.gif Also remember there are still 120GB SDD system drive granting you super OS and program experience.

They also make some drives called SSHD, but i think they need a couple more gen. before i look after em. They just don't seem to be wort it yet.

BTW i'm not sure either. Read about it around ½ year ago on a forum though, but very unsure if the SDD catch part will be there as actual storage or it'll be set as a real 120GB catch over the regular HDD's catch. I'll look into it later today

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Originally Posted by Waszipa View Post

Found a article regarding this subject

Notice 3th picture under Setup and Configuration he has the opportunity to chose how mush of the SSD's capacity he wanna use as catch

http://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/How-it-Works-Intel-SSD-Caching-148/

I think he knows how SSD caching works. However, it's much more beneficial to run a 128GB SSD by itself rather than caching with the HDD. SSD caching is geared more towards lower capacity SSD (32GB) and an HDD.
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Did you at all read the link i posted.... Read it and rethink your position. I'll edit the wrong info I've posted since i have misunderstood how large data transfer is effected by it.

In the article is windows boot time bench both pure SSD - SSD full catch - SSD partion catch - regular HDD

or simply just jump down to the articles conclusion, where there is spoken of enhanced windows and program use. Remember when loading games there are normally only a few large files to load, lots of games runs with several small files, like programs smile.gif
Edited by Waszipa - 4/5/13 at 10:16am
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Need a new PC??

For all of you who wants a awesome gamer build here's some up-to-date article. Theses are the best setups for the budget showed.
1000$ Performance - Add a 2TB HDD and you're golden smile.gif

800$ Enthusiast

600$ Gaming

$1,600 Alternative

Read the articles and then make your shopping list and ask smile.gif I'll be happy to help you point out savings and performance increases compared to the articles. I'll be writing the good advises in this first post, also from other members smile.gif

Advises:
1000$ build:
To save cash simply remove the SSD, but remember a harddisk drive then. This will NOT decrease gaming performance

not really in wow the SSD will help fps and in other games that load files from ssd while u playing , most games go into loading screen when they do load files but some dont, anyhow it will effect the player in general to have SSD to alt tab open a file or hack lol even lunching the game also installing it etc.. so SSD is huge performance push in my opinion Get SSD and lower Cpu, till today most of the Games playable on i3 but i wont chose i7 over SSd simply the whole system it gets faster i believe any gamer dont just play games he watch movies torrent copy paste etc.. even restart pc will be happy to have fast response over a cpu that games don't even use
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