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No download for this? I'd love to sample it.
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Intro to an alien sims game that we're a part of.
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Originally Posted by PiOfPie View Post

Science isn't about proof. That's logic and/or philosophy. It's about corroborating evidence. It would be more accurate to say that "the data provide the strongest evidence for the universe being created by the Big Bang." May seem like a nitpick, but it's an important distinction.

Correct. The data we've gathered over the decades corroborates the Big Bang.
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Intro to an alien sims game that we're a part of.

Or opening sequence from Prometheus

alien guy was a BA
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Scientifically speaking, a "theory" does not mean a guess or a hypothesis or an assumption, as commonly used in everyday speech. A valid scientific theory means a scientific explanation that fits all the facts and evidence and that hasn't been disproved. The big bang is a fact, and the theory of the big bang is our explanation of how it happened. Just like gravity is a fact and we have a theory to explain how it happens, and evolution is a fact, and we have a theory to explain how it happens.

Explain this..

Mount St. Helen blows up in 1980. 10 years later, after going back to the site, Coal was formed (something that we thought HAD to take millions of years to form) Not only that, when they tested the newly formed rock (known to only be 10 years old) using our very own "trustful" dating techniques, they came up with ages ranging in the thousands! Sounds plausible? not really

Seems to simple, but 2 examples right there that raise some questions. I'm not quick to throw out theories, but if it can't be consistent, they WHY would you believe it? Carbon dating? What a joke. You'd have to assume you're in a "closed" environment, you'd have to assume the variables were constant (temperature/environment), and you'd have to assume the ratio between parent/daughter elements were 1:0 in the first place
Edited by lacrossewacker - 4/8/13 at 10:56am
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scientists believed the sun rotated around us.

Scientists never believed the sun rotated around the Earth.
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In my personal opinion we have no clue as to how it all started the only thing that we can do is guess with what evidence the scientists have and believe in.

Science is not about personal opinions. You don't guess about things in science; you go wherever the observation and experimentation leads. If none exists, you suspend judgement.
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Personally I believe that the universe is infinite in nature (infinite contraction/expansion call it big bang if you want to) it's also possible that the universe is one big hologram, a dream, a delusion, personally I think all 3 of the former apply to the universe as our minds create the universe and not the other way around.

That's why science exists: to prevent us from falling into such pitfalls of unfalsifiable guesses and sensational, tempting musings.
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our minds create the universe and not the other way around.

So our minds have existed for billions of years?
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In an article about Comets...
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First, with the discovery of additional loss mechanisms, it is even more obvious today that comets could not have been in their current orbits since the beginning of the Solar System, if the age of the Solar System is on the order of Ga. The need to explain the existence of comets in an old age framework has spawned much theoretical research into the dynamics of cometary orbits. While the basic concept of the Oort cloud has been retained, the idea has been refined and expanded.
Second , it must be emphasised that the Oort cloud has not been observed, nor is it likely to be observable for some time to come. Consider this quote from Sagan and Druyan:
‘Many scientific papers are written each year about the Oort Cloud, its properties, its origin, its evolution. Yet there is not yet a shred of direct observational evidence for its existence.’24

interesting how people, who are motivated by validating their claims of an OLD solar system, actually write about their work like it's fact.

Another example of how bogus our assumptions are...


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Can you post a link to that article with that table, please?
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post #59 of 71
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So our minds have existed for billions of years?

Technically, yes. The material that makes up all of our minds has existed since the beginning of the universe itself.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Explain this..

No I'm going to point out faulty reasoning.
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Mount St. Helen blows up in 1980.

Erupted
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10 years later, after going back to the site, Coal was formed (something that we thought HAD to take millions of years to form)

No "Scientist" didnt believe that coal needed millions of years to form. In fact by the 1920's the lower estimates where in the lower hundreds of years.
It's been observed that peat can form into coal in less than 50 years under naturally occuring circumstances.
Since coal is formed by heat and pressurre, changing those variables may facilitate a faster process.
New findings are not inherently contradictory.
But the coal found at mount sain helene isn't coal but peat.
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Not only that, when they tested the newly formed rock (known to only be 10 years old) using our very own "trustful" dating techniques, they came up with ages ranging in the thousands!

What was the technique?
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Sounds plausible? not really

Sounds like something (not gonna say what yet.)
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Seems to simple, but 2 examples right there that raise some questions.

No they don't.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

I'm not quick to throw out theories, but if it can't be consistent, they WHY would you believe it?

They are consistent, there's nothing in what you said that's inconsistent. Besides If a geologist is wrong, why would you distrust a Biologist.
You can distrust the theory but that's not the issue is it . You are trying to discredit the scientific community by claiming that your own faulty assumptions disprove a certain theories.
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Carbon dating? What a joke. You'd have to assume you're in a "closed" environment,

Nope, since we are in an "open" enviroment any effects will be evenly distributed. Thus affecting the samples regardless of region in an equal way
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you'd have to assume the variables were constant (temperature/environment),

Please base your claims and then for the sake of science state wether or not you believe in temperature estimates. It's impossible to discuss anything with a person who automatically dismisses it.
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and you'd have to assume the ratio between parent/daughter elements were 1:0 in the first place

Because?
 
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