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Any opinions on this? I have a Phantom 820 and I would like it to look like this:


BTW a 480 won't fit on the top so I'm going to change it to a 360mm rad

The HAF 912 has rubber grommets for tubes on the back and so does the phantom 820 so I can route them via those. Any ideas for doing this? I want to be able to run this setup almost completely silent at full load. It would be two 7950's at 1200/1600 @ 1.25v and a 3770k at 4.9Ghz @ 1.5v (delidded with CLU on die). Is this realistic? I would probably use two pumps so that pressure won't be affected. Any ideas on how to go about doing this? Any suggestions? All comments are welcome.

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Colder Products makes some nice 1/2 and 3/4 inch no-leak quik disconnects.
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Confused by your title... If you are going to use a HAF 912 then you could always do this...



You can run any size radiator you want up there like that. It will run cooler than any other placement imaginable. If you want the radiator closer to the case then just mount it in line with the 120x2 mounts on the top of the case and drill the holes for the tubing where needed.

I was able to do this loop with minimal tubing and minimal bends. The cool air above the radiator pushing through the radiator then freely out probably made a difference. I have since upgraded to huge radiators and complex loops but if you want to use an HAF 912 you won't get better performance any other way than the way I did it and cutting the holes in the top really made it look cleaner. You can re-use the rear grommets if you cut the holes big enough. Instead I bought new smaller grommets.
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Confused by your title... If you are going to use a HAF 912 then you could always do this...



You can run any size radiator you want up there like that. It will run cooler than any other placement imaginable. If you want the radiator closer to the case then just mount it in line with the 120x2 mounts on the top of the case and drill the holes for the tubing where needed.

I was able to do this loop with minimal tubing and minimal bends. The cool air above the radiator pushing through the radiator then freely out probably made a difference. I have since upgraded to huge radiators and complex loops but if you want to use an HAF 912 you won't get better performance any other way than the way I did it and cutting the holes in the top really made it look cleaner. You can re-use the rear grommets if you cut the holes big enough. Instead I bought new smaller grommets.

I have my build in a Phantom 820, but I want ample room for rads in my case so I'm thinking of using my old HAF 912 to hold the res, pump, opt drive, etc. So I can have all of that room for rads. That is what I mean sorry for being confusing haha
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Oh... I understand now...

Could I maybe make some other recommendations?

Toss your DVD-R buy a cheap LG external DVD-R one of the small thin ones and put it in a drawer. Pull it out the once in a blue moon you actually need it. All 3 of those SSD should fit behind the motherboard tray or somewhere else out of the way. The rest of the WC gear should be able to squeeze in.

I hate to be a preacher on this subject but unless you are buying the 2 D5s just for the hell of it you really need to head over to Martin's Liquid Lab and read up on the truth about water cooling. A single DDC-35x would probably run your entire system with no problem at all at partial speed. You can go add up all the restrictions he has done all the calculations for all the fittings, tubing, pumps, radiators, water blocks, etc.

I have purchased stuff from him and had the chance to get some real straight answers about my build intentions. At the time I had a dual DDC XSPC res ready to go and after talking to him I was like ok yep that thing is going.

I have a pretty big loop and have a lot of kinks and have a ton of fittings and snakes and 90s, 2 radiators, video cooling, etc and there is no measureable difference between running the pump at 20% PWM and 100% PWM... in fact it could actually cause the temperature to increase because the D5 and DDC pumps dump heat into the water.

If you are planning 2 loops that is usually not the best idea either unless you are planning on folding all the time as the video card and the cpu are rarely running 100% together at the same time so with 2 loops you are usually wasting the ability of one or the other loop.

Hope that was helpful and sorry to preach I just know that the majority of people are really lost on what they actually need from reading these forums. These forums are unfortunately a very bad place to get straight talk about actual performance in a water cooling loop and commonly the talk of high performance usually is just the person trying to justify the huge price tag for all the gear.

If they don't have some way to PROVE what they claim and they don't show how they came to the conclusion they came to then they are full of you know what.

Also martin's liquid lab also did prove that you do not need to use identical pumps in series and that in fact there is a benefit to running different pumps. Also if one pump fails the restriction that pump causes will be so small that it will barely cause any drop in pumping power on the other pump. So in other words run pump in series and don't get caught up in the hype.

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Oh... I understand now...

Could I maybe make some other recommendations?

Toss your DVD-R buy a cheap LG external DVD-R one of the small thin ones and put it in a drawer. Pull it out the once in a blue moon you actually need it. All 3 of those SSD should fit behind the motherboard tray or somewhere else out of the way. The rest of the WC gear should be able to squeeze in.

I hate to be a preacher on this subject but unless you are buying the 2 D5s just for the hell of it you really need to head over to Martin's Liquid Lab and read up on the truth about water cooling. A single DDC-35x would probably run your entire system with no problem at all at partial speed. You can go add up all the restrictions he has done all the calculations for all the fittings, tubing, pumps, radiators, water blocks, etc.

I have purchased stuff from him and had the chance to get some real straight answers about my build intentions. At the time I had a dual DDC XSPC res ready to go and after talking to him I was like ok yep that thing is going.

I have a pretty big loop and have a lot of kinks and have a ton of fittings and snakes and 90s, 2 radiators, video cooling, etc and there is no measureable difference between running the pump at 20% PWM and 100% PWM... in fact it could actually cause the temperature to increase because the D5 and DDC pumps dump heat into the water.

If you are planning 2 loops that is usually not the best idea either unless you are planning on folding all the time as the video card and the cpu are rarely running 100% together at the same time so with 2 loops you are usually wasting the ability of one or the other loop.

Hope that was helpful and sorry to preach I just know that the majority of people are really lost on what they actually need from reading these forums. These forums are unfortunately a very bad place to get straight talk about actual performance in a water cooling loop and commonly the talk of high performance usually is just the person trying to justify the huge price tag for all the gear.

If they don't have some way to PROVE what they claim and they don't show how they came to the conclusion they came to then they are full of you know what.

Also martin's liquid lab also did prove that you do not need to use identical pumps in series and that in fact there is a benefit to running different pumps. Also if one pump fails the restriction that pump causes will be so small that it will barely cause any drop in pumping power on the other pump. So in other words run pump in series and don't get caught up in the hype.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/

Thank you very much for this response! REP to you for taking the time to write it. I definetly wouldn't consider that to be "preaching."

I have been torn about whether to run one or two pumps, but you made that very clear to me so I am going to just use one pump. That will really help with my space problems. I definetly still want to use a top 360 rad, a front 240 rad, and a bottom 240 rad. Could you recommend one of those MCP655 pumps that are pre-fitted into a resevoir and fit into the 5.25" bays? I know I've seen some now and then and they seem like a good solution for me with my limited space. I'm just not sure what companies that make them, are considered "good". Also, I'm going to be very specific in not having any kinks in my loop. I am thinking about getting the PrimoChill PrimoFlex Advanced LRT Tubing 3/8"ID x 5/8" OD - Bloodshed Red. Do you think that is a good idea? I would also like to say that money is not an issue with this loop so you can recommend anything to me. Thanks so much for the help!
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Hey guys, how does this look for a 5.25" res/pump?

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=59_367&products_id=36766

I was looking for one with a MCP655 in it, but I could only find this one with a VPP655. How do these two pumps compare? Which one is better?
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Could someone just let me know if this is a good pump/res?
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So this I figure a setup like this would work pretty well. You guys see anything wrong with it?

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Hey any D5/655 based pump is going to be a great pump. It is just my opinion that pretty much everyone that isn't 100% certain what they need should get a variable pump if they can. When I say can I mean is it available with the stuff you want at a price you can afford. If it costs to much or makes it so you can't get other things you want then don't get it. Anyways if you can get a variable D5 I would do that. They have several speed settings and you can adjust it so that while the entire system is running full out that the next setting makes little or no difference in temps. This is usually no where near full out and will make your pump last longer and will reduce the noise it makes.

Again ANY D5 655 or DDC 35x or 355 based pumps are going to be outstanding pumps.

To my knowledge the vpp655 IS a 5 setting dial a speed pump. So IF that is true then YES it is a very very very good pump. The other variable D5 pumps have a button and I am not so keen on the button even though it is easier to set. I prefer the dial even though it is difficult to set if you block access to it.

Start with 2 or 3 and do the comparisons I talked about.

Good luck... if you have anymore questions for me specifically please PM me.

Please verify any information anyone gives you before making a purchase INCLUDING that the VPP655 is a dial a speed pump.
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