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As much as i like nvidia's features, AMD is just more reliable, in terms of the HARDWARE. Driver problems can be fixed with a new driver release, while dead GPU's will never be revived unless you spend some cash(or RMA).

Out of all my friends i know, none of them have had a SINGLE dead Radeon GPU, whilst my dead 9800GX2 and a few friends newer cards have artifact-ed and failed completely. ( most becasue of overheating and VRM failure. coz the goddamn fan wont speed up)

You guys might ask why i have a nvidia GPU, solely becasue i found it online for $87 and couldn't resist buying it.
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I have an old pci nvidia ti card... from the 90s that works.... and an 8800gts that works (infact I am running it right now). However my 9800pro failed.. but my 5850 is still going strong.
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Well.. atm. Amd offers the best gpu's. 1 x Titan = 2 x 7970's in crossfire. 1. Amd is cheaper. 2. Do the math. 2x 7970 vs Titan.. The 7970 crossfire is CHEAPER and has ONLY 21% more POWER. AMD thumb.gif

For oc'ing.. 660 is annoyingly good but still I'd go for AMD.
"If I would be rich,rich,rich.. I would get Ares II (2 x tahiti). R.O.G edition". Now I'm settling for 2 x R7970's + Kuhler 1220 3gen cpu cooler + I'm waiting for my Zalman reserator.

This is true to an extent, but I couldn't stand having crossfire 6870's, mainly from the driver/CAP problems, but you also have to sacrifice things like windowed mode (although I'm not sure if Nvidia has this too). So that statement isn't 100 percent true.
Edited by RemagCP - 4/6/13 at 12:36am
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This is true to an extent, but I couldn't stand having crossfire 6870's, mainly from the driver/CAP problems, but you also have to sacrifice things like windowed mode (although I'm not sure if nVidia has this too). So that statement isn't 100 percent true.

Yeah, but I think AMD was fixed the crossfire issue (at least on 7000 series)?
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Yes?

Best single GPU, I've done my fair share of dual, tri and quad GPU nonsense on both sides and quite frankly, for 24/7 use I'll be staying with single chips from now on.

Titan is the best GPU in single GPU systems and also the best in 2 way, 3 way and 4 way systems if those suit you. Not saying that AMD's 7000 lineup isn't great, it is, and offers great value, they just don't have the best.

Not far as price ratio. How many enthusiast can go out and buy a TITAN? Lets keep it in the real world where most of the buyers are. rolleyes.gif

By no means is the TITAN a mainstream PC Gamer/Builders GPU.
     
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I dont know that its THAT simple.

Nvidia makes most of their money on their workstation cards, and the new Quadro and Tegra cards are monsters in their intended use.
We have to remember that the consumer/desktop market isnt anywhere near as impactful on their bottom line as sales to OEMs and their workstation/power computing stuff.

I think in a lot of ways Nvidia knows they have the upper hand in those markets and in the tablet and ultramobile areas, and is trying to leverage that while they can.

Its a bad example(especially considering 7xxx is generally considered the better buy this gen), but the 680 was originally a midrange GPU.
Nvidia seems to have some real surprises up their sleeves, that they are electing to hold off on showing us.
Titan was one of them.

Heck, it might all just come down to them trying to seem stale so they can boost stock prices when they drop something new.
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post #27 of 58
Event. I'm "FOR" AMD ,Nvidia has made some very nice stuff. There's Titan vs Ares ...but ARES II is 2 x gpu's in one so do we count it as one or two gpu's ? Ares = 2 x tahiti and out of box crossfire.
Best single... Yes its Titan. I've tested a lot many different combos too and aint giving up with crossfire. I had first 2 x 6879 xxx edition's (xfx) and now 2 x R7970's (XFX).

Imo.Both set-ups were great. The 6870's worked perfectly in every game. R7970 has proven (imo) to be a great card.
My other 7970 is under warranty repair/change atm. (fan sylinder said byby...factory badluck..w8ing for a replacement).

Atm. Been testin 1 x R7970 (factory oc only). No trouble. Eyefinity and nearly all games run at ultra smoothly (antialiaising off in latest games i.e crysis3,fc3,tb,BS-infinite).

Also the mini-ghost (7770 suprised me)... it WEIRD in a good way. I pumped customers cpu to 4200mhz (FX-4200), Ram (HyperXpredator to 2200mhz) in Asus evo mobo. Gpu clocked all-most as powerfull as 7970.

As soon as I get my Zalman I will post smt bout overclocking 7970 (ghz editions) ja test results.

Imo. Forget the 5000-series and give AMD a chance. As mentioned..Titan is best single gpu atm in the market but with a HUGE price tag (so is ares and 7990..same,same, There's still ARES II's out there and the price is 200-300+$ more for the limited water-cooled edition.

Sincerely:
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post #28 of 58
AMD definitely got it right this gen. Nvidia dropped the ball not so much because of their card's performance, but their promotions were much weaker than AMD. Credits in free to play games just doesn't compare to getting two free AAA titles, and instantly made the 7970 more attractive than a 670 or 680. As amazing as the Titan is, it's just not practical for all but a small percentage of us to buy one. With that said, Nvidia is a bit handcuffed with theiir ability to price this card. Based on on raw performance it's only a small step down from the 690 while being more reliable due to it's single GPU nature and better in multi-monitor setup thanks to it's 6GB VRAM. At the very least they have to price this card at $900 or else it throws their entire pricing setup for the 600 series out of wack.
post #29 of 58
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Well.. atm. Amd offers the best gpu's. 1 x Titan = 2 x 7970's in crossfire. 1. Amd is cheaper. 2. Do the math. 2x 7970 vs Titan.. The 7970 crossfire is CHEAPER and has ONLY 21% more POWER. AMD thumb.gif

For oc'ing.. 660 is annoyingly good but still I'd go for AMD.
"If I would be rich,rich,rich.. I would get Ares II (2 x tahiti). R.O.G edition". Now I'm settling for 2 x R7970's + Kuhler 1220 3gen cpu cooler + I'm waiting for my Zalman reserator.

Don't get me wrong, I think NVIDIA is outright robbing people.

However, TITAN is better than HD7970GE in almost everything*. It carries a price premium because it's GK110, which is used in $3.5K Tesla K20s that cost way more than anything AMD makes (W9000 Tahiti is $3.2k, as is the S10000). Also, Crossfire/SLI are known to have issues with microstutter and scaling.

* Compute-wise AMD is better in OpenCL
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I have an old pci nvidia ti card... from the 90s that works.... and an 8800gts that works (infact I am running it right now). However my 9800pro failed.. but my 5850 is still going strong.

Anyone who bought a G84/G86 GPU from NVIDIA thinks otherwise.
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As much as i like nvidia's features, AMD is just more reliable, in terms of the HARDWARE. Driver problems can be fixed with a new driver release, while dead GPU's will never be revived unless you spend some cash(or RMA).

Out of all my friends i know, none of them have had a SINGLE dead Radeon GPU, whilst my dead 9800GX2 and a few friends newer cards have artifact-ed and failed completely. ( most becasue of overheating and VRM failure. coz the goddamn fan wont speed up)

You guys might ask why i have a nvidia GPU, solely becasue i found it online for $87 and couldn't resist buying it.

This, NVIDIA uses cheaper components in low to mid-range. Let's not forget how Fermi was/is hot
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I dont know that its THAT simple.

Nvidia makes most of their money on their workstation cards, and the new Quadro and Tegra cards are monsters in their intended use.
We have to remember that the consumer/desktop market isnt anywhere near as impactful on their bottom line as sales to OEMs and their workstation/power computing stuff.

I think in a lot of ways Nvidia knows they have the upper hand in those markets and in the tablet and ultramobile areas, and is trying to leverage that while they can.

Its a bad example(especially considering 7xxx is generally considered the better buy this gen), but the 680 was originally a midrange GPU.
Nvidia seems to have some real surprises up their sleeves, that they are electing to hold off on showing us.
Titan was one of them.

Heck, it might all just come down to them trying to seem stale so they can boost stock prices when they drop something new.

This is changing. Since HD4000 series, AMD has been ramping up with respect to workstation graphics. They really advanced as far as Cayman (HD6900 series) in comparison to Fermi. With the number of developers switching to OpenCL, NVIDIA's CUDA advantage will be a distant memory.

Let's not forget if you buy NVIDIA workstation GPUs, you need to deal with an NVIDIA partner (PNY/Leadtek/ELSA/Ryoyo). If you buy a Firepro you contact AMD support 24/7 directly for up to 3 years.
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Don't get me wrong, I think NVIDIA is outright robbing people.

However, TITAN is better than HD7970GE in almost everything*. It carries a price premium because it's GK110, which is used in $3.5K Tesla K20s that cost way more than anything AMD makes (W9000 Tahiti is $3.2k, as is the S10000). Also, Crossfire/SLI are known to have issues with microstutter and scaling.

* Compute-wise AMD is better in OpenCL
Anyone who bought a G84/G86 GPU from NVIDIA thinks otherwise.
This, NVIDIA uses cheaper components in low to mid-range. Let's not forget how Fermi was/is hot
This is changing. Since HD4000 series, AMD has been ramping up with respect to workstation graphics. They really advanced as far as Cayman (HD6900 series) in comparison to Fermi. With the number of developers switching to OpenCL, NVIDIA's CUDA advantage will be a distant memory.

Let's not forget if you buy NVIDIA workstation GPUs, you need to deal with an NVIDIA partner (PNY/Leadtek/ELSA/Ryoyo). If you buy a Firepro you contact AMD support 24/7 directly for up to 3 years.

SLI does not suffer from microstutter. Look at recent reviews, in majority of games, they provide a stutter free experience, unlike crossfire. There is a reason crossfire is getting raped and not sli.

i dont see how nvidia is doing so terribly? currently performs better in tomb raider and bioshock than amd. Basically every recent game, nv is ahead. You are telling me you were willing to wait over a year for amd to fix their drivers for every single game to provide competitive performance and you cant wait a few weeks to fix tomb raider? NV has provided consistent, top performance ever since the get go. What about the whole amd single card stutter issues? 1+ year to release 12.11 or whatever driver it was. A company that re-releases higher clocked cards to be able to compete. BF4 will be fine on NV, i can assure you.

please englighten me and tell me how NV is failing this generation. Also, if NV has failed so hard, sell your card and buy AMD. simple.
Edited by markyd - 4/7/13 at 10:38pm
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