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Ya' know that PCPer is Nvidia-sponsored? OH RIGHT YOU DON'T. And have you heard of Catalyst 13.3? NEITHER HAVE YOU.

1) PCPer isn't sponsored by NV, they however are sponsored by AMD
2) AMD has admitted the problems and is in the process of fixing them
-single card = memory management drivers, only DX9 and some individual titles at the moment are fixed, DX10 and DX11 coming later
-multi card = driver in 2-5 months that allows the user to switch between worse latency and worse frame times, will probably still not match NV's hardware solution
3) Stuttering is proven, it's not a myth the results can be confirmed by looking at the raw data that was captured.
 
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1) PCPer isn't sponsored by NV, they however are sponsored by AMD
2) AMD has admitted the problems and is in the process of fixing them
-single card = memory management drivers, only DX9 and some individual titles at the moment are fixed, DX10 and DX11 coming later
-multi card = driver in 2-5 months that allows the user to switch between worse latency and worse frame times, will probably still not match NV's hardware solution
3) Stuttering is proven, it's not a myth the results can be confirmed by looking at the raw data that was captured.

yah, it happens . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293444/does-every-sli-rig-microstutter
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yah, it happens . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293444/does-every-sli-rig-microstutter

Did I ever say MS doesn't happen on nvidia systems?

Of course multi GPU systems stutter. Nvidia just implemented some metering hardware with kepler that lessens the issue while AMD focused on getting as little latency as possible meaning that they ended up with massive frame time problems.
 
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post #44 of 58
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Did I ever say MS doesn't happen on nvidia systems?

Of course multi GPU systems stutter. Nvidia just implemented some metering hardware with kepler that lessens the issue while AMD focused on getting as little latency as possible meaning that they ended up with massive frame time problems.

No, you did not but the way you explain things is like - AMD is the only one having whatever issue you are talking about. Thanks for confirming.

BTW, i tried crossfire and did not get any of those issues at least in BF3, C3, and C2.
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post #46 of 58
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No, you did not but the way you explain things is like - AMD is the only one having whatever issue you are talking about. Thanks for confirming.

BTW, i tried crossfire and did not get any of those issues at least in BF3, C3, and C2.

Without comparison, it can be very difficult to notice or know the difference. AMD themselves has completely admitted the shortcomings of their approach in Crossfire and is addressing them in the near future. I'd say that makes it quite conclusive that there is a something happening if the maker has said so themselves. You can still be encountering the issue but it may not just be noticable to you.

Personally, I'm really quite interested to see the performance of a Crossfire 7970 setup with the frame metering approach/smoothing frame intervals similarly to NVidia, it puts the two on far more equal ground for comparison and we can get accurate views of what's actually happenening for the end user, more so all around hopefully if reviewers adopt the more accurate benchmarking approaches available. I was pretty shocked at how many frames that were counted in FRAPS benchmarks by basically all reviews were essentially dropped for the end user, never displayed or unnoticable along with the heavy changes in times for each frame. Be very nice to have reviews that are actually accurate smile.gif


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Did I ever say MS doesn't happen on nvidia systems?

Of course multi GPU systems stutter. Nvidia just implemented some metering hardware with kepler that lessens the issue while AMD focused on getting as little latency as possible meaning that they ended up with massive frame time problems.

Implemented long before Kepler's release actually wink.gif There was an article addressing it a long while back but we didn't have the tools and capability to show actual measurements to the extent of anything. AMD admitted their lack of one with Crossfire then too I believe but no one realized how far it extended against the experience.

EDIT: Not quite as said but shows exactly how aware they've been of it. NVidia has in fact been using frame metering for SLI since the G80s or possibly earlier as said in the article; over 6 years that brings it, how time has passed...

Said article from September, 2011 - http://techreport.com/articles.x/21516
Edited by CoD511 - 4/9/13 at 4:09am
post #47 of 58
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Without comparison, it can be very difficult to notice or know the difference. AMD themselves has completely admitted the shortcomings of their approach in Crossfire and is addressing them in the near future. I'd say that makes it quite conclusive that there is a something happening if the maker has said so themselves. You can still be encountering the issue but it may not just be noticable to you.

Personally, I'm really quite interested to see the performance of a Crossfire 7970 setup with the frame metering approach/smoothing frame intervals similarly to NVidia, it puts the two on far more equal ground for comparison and we can get accurate views of what's actually happenening for the end user, more so all around hopefully if reviewers adopt the more accurate benchmarking approaches available. I was pretty shocked at how many frames that were counted in FRAPS benchmarks by basically all reviews were essentially dropped for the end user, never displayed or unnoticable along with the heavy changes in times for each frame. Be very nice to have reviews that are actually accurate smile.gif

there is nothing more accurate than this . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293444/does-every-sli-rig-microstutter

love that link and i love Perth. If only I could visit that place again.
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Yeah how much money is amd gonna make from selling console chips? I guess just paying the bills if even that... Game evolved titles? How much money does amd give the developers? A lot? They're doing so good they have to sell their products cheaper?

cheaper is good for the majority of the consumer and it bring balance to the market place ya noob....thumb.gif
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there is nothing more accurate than this . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1293444/does-every-sli-rig-microstutter

love that link and i love Perth. If only I could visit that place again.

Bit confused what you mean by nothing is more accurate than that? Because it's just a single example, uneven playing grounds, god knows what happening in the background on either system or what other hardware is supporting it... I'd say it's about the opposite of accurate myself tongue.gif Hell, imagine if one was using a 120hz monitor vs a 60hz. Accurate is consistency, on a complete system-wide scale I believe. There are an insane amount of factors that can affect the end experience.

And Perth is indeed a beautiful city, I might be biased because I live here and have done so for my life but it has so many great qualities redface.gif
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Did I ever say MS doesn't happen on nvidia systems?

Of course multi GPU systems stutter. Nvidia just implemented some metering hardware with kepler that lessens the issue while AMD focused on getting as little latency as possible meaning that they ended up with massive frame time problems.

will you give it a rest already...it's been talked about many times...also, it did not stop me from getting 4x 7970 despite all these frame rating rating reviews.....
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