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Go for the 3930k. Save some money and it will perform on par with the extreme in terms of gaming, and only a bit slower in encoding.

This, if you're going for an X79 build. The chips OC just about the same and there is no reason not to OC them to at least 4.2GHz. When clocked the same, you're talking maybe 1% difference in performance. Seriously, there is no good reason to get the 60X nor 70X over the 30K, unless you want to show off how much money you can waste.
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As we could only overclock the i7-3960X from 3.3GHz to 4.7GHz we were expecting that the 3.2GHz i7-3930K would only overclock to around 4.5GHz. After all, part of the sales message of Extreme Edition processors is that they are cherry-picked CPUs that should overclock better than standard processors.

However, the i7-3930K has identical overclocking properties as the Extreme Edition CPU. Using a CPU voltage of 1.4V, a CPU multiplier of 38x, a Base Clock of 123.75MHz, a CPU strap of 125MHz and a memory speed of 1.98GHz, we could also run the i7-3930K stably at 4.7GHz.

This overclock provided a substantial boost in performance in every test, allowing the i7-3930K to extend its lead over every other CPU bar the i7-3960X Extreme Edition. This is because the latter has 15MB, as opposed to 12MB, of Level 3 cache. However, when both Sandy Bridge E processors were overclocked, there wasn't much difference in performance. In our Media Benchmarks, for example, the i7-3930K was less than 0.2 per cent slower than the i7-3960X.

-http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/11/14/intel-sandy-bridge-e-review/12
Edited by Wrend - 4/6/13 at 11:46am
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- The 3930K is the best CPU for an enthusiast rig, IMO, and will last longer than an IVB CPU in terms of obsolescence. The 3960X and 3970X are nothing more than e-peen enhancers, with no benefit over the 3930K in any 16-20yr-old's workload. The 50 percent increase in both physical cores and threads, as well as L3 cache, make it a true chart topper. The X79 platform allows for actual, non-PLX Chip multiple GPU solutions courtesy of the x40 PCIe 3.0 lanes (which could also mean that it could run, say, 2x 680's, a Creative Titanium HD Sound Card, and an LSI MegaRAID SAS9271-16i PCIe x8 16port hardware RAID card with 1-4GB Cache, which would be a fantastic setup for a "starter" video editing workstation).

- I agree that the ROG X79 boards are the only option when it comes to an "ultimate" machine, but I would suggest getting the Rampage IV Extreme and not the Formula, as the latter lacks a lot of what I consider to be platform-specific benefits (the Formula has just 4 DIMMs vs the Extreme's 8, for example).

- Don't waste your money on a 64GB RAM setup, as I very much doubt that anything this kid does requires anything anywhere close to even starting to get the tiniest bit close to utilizing that much memory. All it would do is cost a lot, and reduce the speed of the RAM, not to mention taxing the IMC a bit. It's MUCH better to have less, faster RAM than more, slower RAM in a rig to be used for gaming.
I recommend getting a 16GB (4x4GB) kit, and one that is rated for DDR3-2133 with good timings. DDR3-2400 wouldn't be bad, and the GSkill Trident X 2400 CAS9 kit is the fastest out of the box kit under $500USD that I have used, and it comes in at just $199. However, most SNB-E chips don't have a memory controller strong enough to run 2400 (well, I don't know for sure if it's most, but it is at least half)...
The kit I recommend over any other, at any price, is the Ripjaws Z 16GB 2133 9-11-10-28 4x4GB kit. I have never seen such flexible memory, and I have gotten mine to over 2500 with 10-12-11 timings without effort, and at the stock frequency of 1066 (2133) I have the timings down to 9-10-10-25 1T without any voltage changes! For $120, it's truly a steal. The kit I have uses better IC's than the Dominator Platinum DDR3-2666 kit that costs a small fortune, and on a Z77 setup (3770K @ 4.9Ghz + GA-Z77X-UP7) I was able to clock the GSkill Ripjaws higher than the Dominator Platinum, with tighter timings, AND with less voltage!

- I have a very, very difficult time recommending the Titan, especially to a 17yr old; it's simply overkill. Rather, I would suggest getting a pair of EVGA GTX670 FTW2GBs, or possibly 1-2x GTX680 FTW 2GB or maybe 4GB cards. The 2GB cards overclock better, and if the rig will be water cooled, they are exponentially easier to find blocks for. Not to mention, you really need to have 3+ cards to utilize the extra VRAM. I don't recommend sticking more than a pair of GPU's in there, as I would be willing to bet that 2x 670 FTW 2GB cards would more than serve his needs, while allowing him to upgrade to the next or the following generation cards with much less of a financial hit.

- If you go with water cooling, there are only really two good options: a custom loop ($550-1200USD if you include the GPU's and maybe a motherboard block), or the Swiftech H220 ($150 for CPU loop, add +$100 if you are going to have GPU's to account for more radiator space, and +$150USD per card; that's around $500USD for CPU + 2x GPU's + 420/480 radiator and Push-Pull fans). The CLC units are just a waste of money that could otherwise be spent on a better performing, more reliable, and just flattest superior in every way to the H100 and its ilk). Don't bother with them, and if you don't want to go with the H220 or custom, then get the Thermalright Silver Arrow SNB-E Extreme, the best heatsink out there paired with some phenomenal fans that can be perfectly silent yet ramp up to over 2krpm and push over 130CFM!

- If he is serious about video editing, get a decent video capture card, and absolutely a sound card. The Titanium HD is the best consumer grade card for editing, in my experience (and I do professional audio recording, editing, mixing, and mastering). The Asus cards are good for headphones but are very music-focused, while the Titanium HD is a jack of all trades, and a master at most. The new Z/Zx are inferior, and while I haven't tried the ZxR for long enough yet to give a fair opinion, it's essentially a dressed up Ti HD with the daughter board. The Ti HD is a card that will give you an amazing immersing experience in a game and then immediately give you incredibly accurate uncompressed audio (1.5-9MBs) via editing software, without skipping a beat.

Many people, even those in the field, don't give any thought to audio when editing videos. However, having the best possible reproduction is paramount, at least if you want the end result to be anything other than "mediocre at best". Pair the sound card with a good set of "midrange beginner/semi-experienced" studio monitors, as while headphones are indispensable for audio editing, speakers are more important if you have to pick one or the other. I really like the M-Audio BX5's, or the pricier BX8's, as they are some of the most neutral speakers under $500USD, and they are frankly excellent monitors. I have speakers that range from two digits to five in price, and my go to headphones for audio work or pleasure listening are my Grado GS1000's, PS1000's, RS1i's, and RS2i's. Yet, I use my M-Audio speakers very often, in fact I have been using them for gaming in a 2.1 setup with a Focal Reference Series 10" or Definitive Technology 12" subwoofer for the past few weeks (maybe a month, month and a half?) and I have yet to hear anything that they struggle with.

DON'T SKIMP ON AUDIO just because the preferred medium to edit is video....!
   
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On the memory.....64GB is useful if you know what you're doing. You can create a very nice RAM Disk with 32GB of that, RAM Cache with 16GB and leave 8GB for normal operation off the hard disk/ssd.

The RAM Disk can be pretty sick if you set it up properly and use the pro version of the software that save the image on shutdown and reloads it into RAM on start up.

As to the board, go with a 2011. Ivy Bridge-E isn't too far out and it will be 2011 socket. Also, a Core i7-3820 would be sufficient by the sounds of it and it's only $300.00. It can be overclocked pretty handily and he'll have a tough time trying to bring it to it's knees. Hardware is so much further ahead than software nowadays, gotta love it.

My current set up with a 3820, it's overpowered for everything i've done on it. The vid card is only a 670 but that's cause I only game on a single monitor.

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Alright update guys. While i was in the market searching for components, the child decided to go with an Alienware Aurora with i7 3820 and an GTX 680. Kids these days. Anyways, all's not lost since i did make the trip worthwhile and went ahead and bought myself another 7850 to CFX. Will install it tomorrow after work, but once again, thank you for all your opinions and suggestions.
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Ah, so true about kids these days. Brand name recognition is all they care about. Glad you found a silver lining in all this though, 2x7850's oughta rock, enjoy them!
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