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Nvidia has had undisclosed involvement in developing these tools. No wonder AMD cards are showing poor results.
All these tests are biased and need to be ignored.

So...what is the software/hardware doing to support your claim?
post #92 of 182
It should not be ignored at all. AMD is already working on it.

But it SHOULD NOT be inflated and magnified like every one does
Edited by KaRLiToS - 4/7/13 at 10:20am
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Nvidia has had undisclosed involvement in developing these tools. No wonder AMD cards are showing poor results.
All these tests are biased and need to be ignored.

Only problem is that the results produced by tools match the raw data exactly. This is what PCPer showed in their preview articles, you can directly see the stuff they're measuring in the data being outputted by the graphics card.

It's one thing if it was some arbitrary test that couldn't be verified but since it's a method that's very easily proven to be accurate I don't think you have a good case.

That and AMD has pretty much confirmed these issues themselves, there's no fight over if they're real or not. What it comes down to is if a specific user can properly notice the difference between setup X and Y.
 
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Actually, none of the single card stuttered. Like shown below.

But like we can observe in the graph below: The Crossfire setup has an issue that needs to be fixed.

Just check at the OP how he posted only the graphs making AMD looks bad. (Typical of 2010Rig)

Dude, I quoted the conclusion, and shown the reasoning WHY they came to that conclusion. You see, when I make a statement, I like to back it up with facts. In the past, when TechReport brought these issues to light, they were called conspiracy theories, non-existent issues, basically people were full of excuses. Want a perfect example of AMD biased users trying to invalidate the results?
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Nvidia has had undisclosed involvement in developing these tools. No wonder AMD cards are showing poor results.
All these tests are biased and need to be ignored.

Some users have repeatedly claimed that PcPer was paid by NVIDIA for this review, remind you of anyone? ( I'll be happy to find your quotes if you like, there are MANY to choose from )

I also stated:
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They came to that CF conclusion, because of this. If you're only using a Single GPU with AMD, you're fine.
I went on to state this:
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For the time being, people gotta stop saying 2 AMD cards are better than 1 NVIDIA card. ( Titan anyone? )

Remember how many Titan threads were ruined, like the Titan review threads that was LOCKED, thanks to AMD users CONSTANTLY saying to get 2x 7970's instead of a Titan? After the 1000th time the same thing gets posted, it gets annoying, and clearly, it's NOT a proper recommendation or alternative to Single Cards.

Majin SSJ Eric made a really good review comparing 7970's to Titans, and people were trying to ruin that thread too.

I'm sorry if the truth hurts. #DealWithIt
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If the problem is so big and AMD knows about it and wants to remain in high end section then obviously they will fix this anyhow. My perception is telling me upcoming couple of driver will significantly lower that stuttering on THAT GRAPH.
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If the problem is so big and AMD knows about it and wants to remain in high end section then obviously they will fix this anyhow. My perception is telling me upcoming couple of driver will significantly lower that stuttering on THAT GRAPH.

They are offering a fix in 3-6 months. They'll be offering an option between more latency and worse frame times. One reduces the other.
 
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If the problem is so big and AMD knows about it and wants to remain in high end section then obviously they will fix this anyhow. My perception is telling me upcoming couple of driver will significantly lower that stuttering on THAT GRAPH.
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They are offering a fix in 3-6 months. They'll be offering an option between more latency and worse frame times. One reduces the other.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6857/amd-stuttering-issues-driver-roadmap-fraps
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They are offering a fix in 3-6 months. They'll be offering an option between more latency and worse frame times. One reduces the other.

Not good.

You either have runt frames and stutter or less performance for smoother gameplay. AMD loses either way then.
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They are offering a fix in 3-6 months. They'll be offering an option between more latency and worse frame times. One reduces the other.
Really? when did they say they would increase their frametime variations? I think what they said was an option for some added latency (maybe to Nvidias level since AMD cards do have lower latency currently) or the current level of frametime variation which doesn't seem to bother most people.
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Nvidia has had undisclosed involvement in developing these tools. No wonder AMD cards are showing poor results.
All these tests are biased and need to be ignored.
From what I've observed most are. tongue.gif
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