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Hello everyone,

After reading the guides and receiving help in the XSPC Club (thanks again for that!), I'm continuing to plan my WC build which is probably not going to happen right away, as I want to see what Haswell and Titan Jr bring to the table. Will probably be in a HAF X.

I was originally planning to go with a XSPC kit. However, after thinking about it and discovering that EK is actually from Slovenia (see? WC newb right there!), I'm going with a full EK build, since the postage costs will be much lower from Slovenia. I'm sure I'll have more specific questions when I start buying parts, for now I want to get proper understanding of some general things.

First, does it matter if the water goes from the res/pump into the first component, compared to having a rad in between? Like this:



Second, any comments on the proposed concept are welcome.

Third, am I understanding it right that I can put a "T" fitting plus a temp sensor plug (or a normal plug), as a drainage point?

Fourth, if I use two D5 pumps (I like the idea of redundancy) is it better to put them together like this, or should the second pump be somewhere else. This would probably be more convenient, space-wise.

Fifth, for a system like this, is this reservoir enough:
http://www.ekwb.com/shop/reservoirs-and-acc/res-pump-combo/ek-d5/ek-d5-x-res-top-140-csq-black-acetal.html

THANKS!

I'm sure I'll bother you more over the next months, but I promise to make a build log when I finally start doing it, to make it up to you! smile.gif
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First: No. It may be a couple C warmer for the first minute or five than if you went Res > Pump > Rad > CPU/GPU, but once your loop reaches "equilibrium temperature" it really won't matter.

Second: Nope. It looks good. You don't NEED 2 D5 pumps, but they won't hurt and will offer a good amount of redundancy. About the only thing I would suggest is going with 6 fans per radiator for "push/pull". "Push/pull", even on a slim 45mm radiator offers better cooling than just push or pull on a a 60mm radiator.

Third: Yes. That's not a bad idea. You want to TRY to get the drain to the lowest point in the loop. Another idea is to put a "Quick Disconnect" inline where the 'T' is and that will let you break the loop, and lay the hose(s) down lower (or even connect a second hose to it that goes to a container so you can drain the loop with still keeping your fluid) and using an "In-line" temperature sensor from Phyobia or Aquatun. Another alternative for a drain is to use an Alphacool radiator on the outside of your case. The nice thing about the Alphacool radiator is that they have a "fill port" on the top of the radiator. Since you are mounting your external radiator with the main in/out ports up top, the radiators "fill port" now becomes a "drain port". Granted it won't really get much water out of the loop other than out of that radiator, it will completely drain that radiator. Also, while I do love XSPC radiators, I do like the Alphacools just a bit better now. They have some really nice features (but cost more). Things like better hardware, a fill port up top and 6 ports on the bottom (as opposed to the "standard" 2 that most XSPC's come with ... you can get XSPC with 6 ports, but they cost more) and Alphacool has a built in screw stop that prevents you from puncturing your radiator core by putting too long a screw in that hold the fan.

Fourth: It doesn't matter much. You can separate them, or you can keep them together. Another option is to use something like an XSPC Twin D5 dual bay reservoir (I have one) and it mounts both pumps to the reservoir and you just slide it in a dual 5.25" bay. If you perfer tube reservoirs, you can also use a similar arrangement from EK or Bitspower. I have the EK version which has a block that mounts both D5 pumps and then has a tube reservoir on top.

Fifth: Yes. You don't need a lot of reservoir. All a larger one will do, after you have bled all the air out of the loop, is to allow you to run longer without having to add water/coolant without checking your system. Well, and a larger reservoir does make it SLIGHTLY easier to primp and bleed air out of, but not by much.


Here are some highlights you might be interested from some of my past builds:

Inline temperature sensor and display.

EK Dual D5 and Reservoir system.

Another shot of the EK Dual D5 system.

Some shots of the XSPC Twin D5 system.

Video of my XSPC Twin D5 dual bay reservoir in operation.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 4/7/13 at 5:54am
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Thank you very much! Going through the links you provided.

You mean a dual pump res like this?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35891:27dbcdd5a11bd82d81d2aa8f7f6be518

Can I just stick two of these http://www.ekwb.com/shop/pumps-and-accessories/pumps/pump-laing-d5-vario-motor-only-alphacool.html into this res, or do I need additional accessories to connect them?
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Thank you very much! Going through the links you provided.

You mean a dual pump res like this?
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=35891:27dbcdd5a11bd82d81d2aa8f7f6be518

Can I just stick two of these http://www.ekwb.com/shop/pumps-and-accessories/pumps/pump-laing-d5-vario-motor-only-alphacool.html into this res, or do I need additional accessories to connect them?

Yes. That is the exact one that I have (and is in that video). I will say this, that I the first one I got did have a leak, but they took care of it promptly. Things happen, but the replacement has been running without a hitch for months now.

Yes, you can stick 2 standard D5 pumps (either standard or ones that are variable speed) in them.

PerformancePCs has it cheaper ($74.95 as opposed to $84.99 at FrozenCPU) but at Frozen, you can get the options that include 2 standard or 2 variable speed pumps already installed for $179 or 210 and just take it out of the box and go. But if you want to save a couple bucks and/or want to do it yourself, PerformancePCs has various D5 pumps you can get too. Attaching the pumps isn't hard at all.

XSPC D5 Vario Pump - Without Cover - $76.95 - I have 1 of these.

Swiftech MCP655™ Series 12 VDC Water Pumps - $66.95 - I have 1 of these.

Swiftech MCP655™ Series 12 VDC Water Pumps - With Speed Control - $76.95 - I have 4 of these.

The only thing you will need to install them is a Phillips screwdriver to install the pumps to the dual bay reservoir ... same goes with the EK dual top with the cylinder reservoir. Now you will need barbs or compression fittings to connect your components to the tubing, but that is nothing special.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 4/7/13 at 6:18am
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Thank you once again!

Complicating factor is that I'm living in Serbia. Therefore, postage costs from US tend to be very high, especially if a site doesn't offer any type of basic/cheaper shipping. Same thing makes any RMA a very complicated affair.

Plus, expensive shipping makes it more likely my items will have customs charges, since there is a value limit (item+shipping) under which there are no customs charges.

Which is why I would prefer to get as many items as possible from Slovenia, but I might make an exception for the res.
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Thank you once again!

Complicating factor is that I'm living in Serbia. Therefore, postage costs from US tend to be very high, especially if a site doesn't offer any type of basic/cheaper shipping. Same thing makes any RMA a very complicated affair.

Plus, expensive shipping makes it more likely my items will have customs charges, since there is a value limit (item+shipping) under which there are no customs charges.

Which is why I would prefer to get as many items as possible from Slovenia, but I might make an exception for the res.

Understandable. I just don't know what sites you plan to buy from in Serbia or what companies ship there, so that is my disadvantage. But feel free to ask away any technical questions you want.

Aquatuning delivers there, but I'm not sure of the costs you will incur. They have a ton of locations outside of the US/England/Germany and have a pretty good selection.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 4/7/13 at 6:39am
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I think I'll get most of the things directly from the EK store, with some US/EU sites thrown in for specific items here and there. Anyway - I have more stuff to watch/read now! smile.gif

Really - thank you very much for your time! I'm sure I'll have more questions later. I am still looking at months of waiting, as I want to see new hardware come out first.

Although, if 1150 is really compatible with 1156/1155 HSs, I might start a CPU only loop very soon, and later expand it to GPUs as well. Get a bit of practice that way. thumb.gif

EDIT: yeah, I have Aquatuning as one of the sites.
Edited by Tomalak - 4/7/13 at 6:45am
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I actually do have another question:

These disconnects you mentioned, which I could use instead of the T+plug, what exactly do I need? Do I buy one male, one female from these: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=59_346_393_621, and they connect to each other?

I also see these D plugs, but have no idea what they are for.
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You just need a "Male" and a "Female" to go together ... so depending on your color, you could go with ...

QTY 1 - Bitspower Silver Shining Quick-Disconnected Female With G1/4”
QTY 1 - Bitspower Silver Shining Quick-Disconnected Male With G1/4”

Then I would suggest to get another of the above (either one, or both), then you can have that be what you attach to just a length of tubing that you will use to put into the end of a jug to drain it.

Simply have the QDC's connected to each other during normal use, then when you need to drain, disconnect them then connect your QDC with a .75 or 1m length of tubing into a jug.

Bitspower makes good ones, as does Koolance.
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Got it!
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