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Would it be advantageous to go from Z68 to Z77, and 1600mhz ram to a greater speed?

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I have an I7 3770k on the way, and I am perfectly aware of the fact that I do not necessarily need to upgrade my motherboard or memory for things to work. What I am however concerned about is whether or not the hardware I have will properly compliment a 3770k. I have seen a few reviews on IB and SB memory controllers and there isn't much difference between 1600mhz ram and much 2133mhz ram for SB. However, for IB there seems to be a bit of a difference.

I'm not sure how much of a difference would actually be noticeable, however if I can get an additional performance boost from picking up a 2400mhz kit, that would be awesome. In the same token, I don't want to spend $100 on a memory upgrade that is only going to help me if I use a Ram disk, the IGPU, or run benchmarks all day. Benchmarks are good for small differences, and in some cases large ones, however they sometimes fail to explain the real world difference between two pieces of hardware.

As for the motherboard, I have been reading about how atrocious the Z77 Extreme 4 is with its sub-par VRM's and overall power management system. Going from SB to IB, I am concerned that the power management system of my Extreme3 Gen3 may not perform as well as a Z77 board with better VRM's and power management in general.

From what I can gather, the Gigabyte UD boards seem to be pretty good, and the Asus P8z77-V boards are also decent. Don't get me wrong, I love my Asrock board, and I have been able to achieve an overclock of 4.5ghz on my 2500k with relative ease. I am concerned that this board may not push a 3770k to its upper limits quite as effectively as a board with a greater quality power management system.

I know that the easiest answer to this thread is "no dude, its not worth it". Rather than getting generic simplified answer such as that I am more specifically looking to answer 2 questions:

1.) Will a memory upgrade be advantageous for practical everyday use?
2.) Will a motherboard upgrade help achieve a higher overclock when compared to my Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 with a 3770K?
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1.) Will a memory upgrade be advantageous for practical everyday use?
2.) Will a motherboard upgrade help achieve a higher overclock when compared to my Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 with a 3770K?


1.) Not by much, like you said, only in benchmarks
2.) I don't even know why you went from 2500k to 3770k, especially if its only for games.

If you want to achieve a higher clock with i7 3770k, you will have to undelid your chip.


I would have wait for next generation of CPUs and motherboard

Next socket is 1150 wink.gif
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1.) Not by much, like you said, only in benchmarks
2.) I don't even know why you went from 2500k to 3770k, especially if its only for games.

If you want to achieve a higher clock with i7 3770k, you will have to undelid your chip.


I would have wait for next generation of CPUs and motherboard

Next socket is 1150 wink.gif

I don't know what Haswell will bring, however with the new consoles coming out shortly, and having hardware that can handle more than 4 threads, I wanted a CPU that could do such as well. I bought it off of the OCN marketplace, so it was quite a bit cheaper than full retail, essentially I couldn't pass up the deal. I am only gaming, but in the next year, just gaming could require more than 4 threads.

With Haswell on the horizon, if it does happen to perform substantially better, I will just upgrade again tongue.gif.

As far as delidding goes, I would only need to delid if temps are not acceptable. Being that I haven't even installed the processor yet, and don't know what voltage it will need for greater than 4.5ghz, I don't know that a delid would be necessary as of yet. Im more concerned with whether or not my VRM's are going to hold up to the task if the CPU is capable of going higher than 4.5ghz.
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The only reason I would bother is if you were running crossfire/sli, so you could get the minor advantage of pcie 3.0. Even justifying that is a stretch, but we are enthusiasts hehe.
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The only reason I would bother is if you were running crossfire/sli, so you could get the minor advantage of pcie 3.0. Even justifying that is a stretch, but we are enthusiasts hehe.

Some Z68 boards support Gen 3 already.

I have a 3770K with a P8Z68-V Gen3 and they play very nicely together. Unless you are having issues with your current RAM, don't bother upgrading it either.

Release for Haswell is June 3rd btw
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Whether a hardware/software can handle more than 4 threads or not, it doesn't change the fact that the upgrade will not likely have any noticeable difference than what you have now. It's like having to play games at 200 fps and then wanting to upgrade to something better than doubles your gaming fps (example, but similar). You simply won't notice the difference.

Although if money isn't an issue, I'd go and do the mobo upgrade as well.
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The perceivable differences will be nil, save your money and keep your current mobo+ram
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Originally Posted by ForNever View Post

The only reason I would bother is if you were running crossfire/sli, so you could get the minor advantage of pcie 3.0. Even justifying that is a stretch, but we are enthusiasts hehe.


Im assuming your referring to the motherboard upgrade. My current motherboard does support PCI-E 3.0, however it is only really beneficial if I only use one card. If I use two cards, it will split the lanes to provide PCI-E 3.0 X8, which is equivalent to PCI-E 2.0 X16. Being that their are no current GPU's that will saturate more than a full 16 lanes of PCI-E 2.0, it doesn't really matter.

Which brings me to another point. If the next gen cards did saturate PCI-E 2.0, and required PCI-E 3.0 to realize their full potential, one would then require a board that is capable of 32 lanes of PCI-E 3.0 (for crossfire/sli), which is exclusive to X79 or certain Z77 boards with an additional chip on the motherboard.

I don't know that I will require crossfire anytime soon, and even if I did, a second 7870 would not saturate PCI-E 2.0. The only real benefit of a motherboard upgrade in this respect is if I were to crossfire/sli with the next gen cards, and if those cards saturate PCI-E 2.0. So I can say that PCI-E 3.0 as it pertains to my situation is a non issue biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by Jayjr1105 View Post

Some Z68 boards support Gen 3 already.

I have a 3770K with a P8Z68-V Gen3 and they play very nicely together. Unless you are having issues with your current RAM, don't bother upgrading it either.

Release for Haswell is June 3rd btw

I have yet to see if I will have issues with my board or not with PCI-E 3.0, I highly doubt I will.

I will have to reevaluate my rig in June then if thats the release date tongue.gif I have a bad feeling however about Haswell. I have a feeling that it will not overclock well due to the integration of the power management system in the CPU. We shall see.

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Whether a hardware/software can handle more than 4 threads or not, it doesn't change the fact that the upgrade will not likely have any noticeable difference than what you have now. It's like having to play games at 200 fps and then wanting to upgrade to something better than doubles your gaming fps (example, but similar). You simply won't notice the difference.

Although if money isn't an issue, I'd go and do the mobo upgrade as well.

Its hard to say either way considering there aren't any games that really require more than 4 threads to run smoothly. However, if having 4 threads inhibits the performance of a game, and having 8 does not, then its pretty clear what you should do. Im not saying that this is going to happen indefinitely, but if I choose not to upgrade to Haswell when it releases, and games are optimized for more than 4 threads within the next 1-2 years, there will be a more considerable performance difference between a 2500K and a 3770K.

That isn't really the topic of discussion however, I have already bought the CPU. My issue is based on the supporting hardware, the motherboard and ram and whether or not its worth it to upgrade those as well. Its not an issue of money, its more an issue of worth.
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I assume you're an enthusiast and therefore understand the rule of diminishing return for any kind of upgrades. When an upgrade hits that diminishing return line, it's no longer "worth" it. To be honest, if you're an enthusiast as of someone who doesn't have money as an issue, "worth" is really something not to be used.

Off-topic again, but as Karlitos have said, it's the case of you buying a 3770k while having a 2500k. IMO that is beyond diminishing return line and therefore is not worth it (in terms of gaming); similar case to your chipset/mobo question.
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I assume you're an enthusiast and therefore understand the rule of diminishing return for any kind of upgrades. When an upgrade hits that diminishing return line, it's no longer "worth" it. To be honest, if you're an enthusiast as of someone who doesn't have money as an issue, "worth" is really something not to be used.

Off-topic again, but as Karlitos have said, it's the case of you buying a 3770k while having a 2500k. IMO that is beyond diminishing return line and therefore is not worth it (in terms of gaming); similar case to your chipset/mobo question.

Yes, I do understand the concept of diminishing returns, and to each their own when it comes to them. Some enthusiasts are willing to spend an extra $500 on a cpu, or an extra $400 on a GPU just to get the best experience they can. I am more of a budget minded enthusiast, that happened to have found a good deal and took the opportunity to seize that deal.

Worth is based on personal preference, and therefore is a fairly subjective term, so my apologies for using it as it just adds to the confusion. I have established that there is a quantifiable difference between what I currently have, and what I could possibly upgrade to (memory and motherboard). I suppose a more accurate question would be: Would either of these upgrades offer a noticeable difference in any games? As of right now, my rig struggles with Crysis 3, so lets focus on that.

Here is a benchmark with the 3770k, FX8350, 3960k, and 3930K. http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page6.html

What I find curious is they go all they way down to an X2 265, which is several generations old, yet they omit the 2500K and the 2600K. I would like to know what differences I could see between the two systems, yet they are not provided.

If there were a performance increase however miniscule, it could bring my system up to a more acceptable level of gameplay for Crysis 3. Obviously, if anything were to make a noticeable impact on framerates it would be CPU, and GPU. However, if a specific motherboard would offer a higher overclock due to a more stable power management system, couldn't it be argued that a motherboard has an impact on gaming performance as well?

As far as ram goes, it appears there will be no difference, at least that I can tell from the information I have reviewed. The only benefit to this is if I were to upgrade my motherboard, I would have a full set of hardware to complete a second rig for the Mrs. Also, DDR3 2400 seems to be pretty cheap as of right now.

She hasn't asked for an upgrade, but im sure she would appreciate one lol.
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