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Alright so the problem is definitely explained better now.

Based on your sig rig, I highly doubt your mobo chipset or ram is the issue. The difference between the two chipset is very little in your case, and at most, getting higher rated ram would most likely snatch ~1-2 extra fps). Definitely not worth it.

I might as well drop it down here, although I personally would go and get a stronger GPU instead of another mobo. Perhaps sell off your 7870, and add to it to get a better GPU for the power hungry Crisis 3. thumb.gif
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Yes, I do understand the concept of diminishing returns, and to each their own when it comes to them. Some enthusiasts are willing to spend an extra $500 on a cpu, or an extra $400 on a GPU just to get the best experience they can. I am more of a budget minded enthusiast, that happened to have found a good deal and took the opportunity to seize that deal.

Worth is based on personal preference, and therefore is a fairly subjective term, so my apologies for using it as it just adds to the confusion. I have established that there is a quantifiable difference between what I currently have, and what I could possibly upgrade to (memory and motherboard). I suppose a more accurate question would be: Would either of these upgrades offer a noticeable difference in any games? As of right now, my rig struggles with Crysis 3, so lets focus on that.

Here is a benchmark with the 3770k, FX8350, 3960k, and 3930K. http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance/page6.html

What I find curious is they go all they way down to an X2 265, which is several generations old, yet they omit the 2500K and the 2600K. I would like to know what differences I could see between the two systems, yet they are not provided.

If there were a performance increase however miniscule, it could bring my system up to a more acceptable level of gameplay for Crysis 3. Obviously, if anything were to make a noticeable impact on framerates it would be CPU, and GPU. However, if a specific motherboard would offer a higher overclock due to a more stable power management system, couldn't it be argued that a motherboard has an impact on gaming performance as well?

As far as ram goes, it appears there will be no difference, at least that I can tell from the information I have reviewed. The only benefit to this is if I were to upgrade my motherboard, I would have a full set of hardware to complete a second rig for the Mrs. Also, DDR3 2400 seems to be pretty cheap as of right now.

She hasn't asked for an upgrade, but im sure she would appreciate one lol.

I allways say you wont have spare parts unless you buy new parts,,,go for it,,don't expect much..maybe an extra frame or two
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Originally Posted by Durate View Post

Alright so the problem is definitely explained better now.

Based on your sig rig, I highly doubt your mobo chipset or ram is the issue. The difference between the two chipset is very little in your case, and at most, getting higher rated ram would most likely snatch ~1-2 extra fps). Definitely not worth it.

I might as well drop it down here, although I personally would go and get a stronger GPU instead of another mobo. Perhaps sell off your 7870, and add to it to get a better GPU for the power hungry Crisis 3. thumb.gif


considering there isn't a single GPU on the market that can max crysis 3, I would rather wait on a GPU upgrade until we know what the next gen cards will perform like.

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I allways say you wont have spare parts unless you buy new parts,,,go for it,,don't expect much..maybe an extra frame or two

Well that's one way to look at it lol. I will keep that in mind.
Edited by Mattb2e - 4/7/13 at 12:59pm
post #14 of 29
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I just saw this in another thread

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/ivy-bridge-ddr3_4.html#sect0


Apparently ram frequency has a greater impact on performance with Ivy than it did with Sandy. This article suggests the sweet spot currently is around 2133mhz, anything beyond that does not yield a great enough increase to justify its cost. So perhaps getting a 2133mhz ram kit would not be a waste, considering it yielded a 5-10% increase in framerates.

Any suggestions as to what modules to get? Im not sure who OEM's the modules these days, and what modules to look for. I know brand names well, its the manufacturer of the IC's that im not familiar with.
post #15 of 29
Remember the 5-10% and the "gaming" chart shows FPS above 120...therefore the number increase looks very high. The 1-2 fps increase mentioned before assumed that you're currently getting at least ~ 50-60 FPS.

Plus since you described it's mostly about gaming, it's still much better to spend the money for better GPU instead. I doubt you'll be getting very high FPS on a 7870 unless it was some very old game.

Technology improves after time; DDR4 is also on the way, plus a 2133mhz kit is very likely to not be worth the upgrade money from 1600mhz. I understand you'll have an extra RAM part you can use, but either way the upgrade from 7870 to something else with the RAM money is much more significant then the RAM upgrade itself.

My $0.02 smile.gif
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Remember the 5-10% and the "gaming" chart shows FPS above 120...therefore the number increase looks very high. The 1-2 fps increase mentioned before assumed that you're currently getting at least ~ 50-60 FPS.

Plus since you described it's mostly about gaming, it's still much better to spend the money for better GPU instead. I doubt you'll be getting very high FPS on a 7870 unless it was some very old game.

Technology improves after time; DDR4 is also on the way, plus a 2133mhz kit is very likely to not be worth the upgrade money from 1600mhz. I understand you'll have an extra RAM part you can use, but either way the upgrade from 7870 to something else with the RAM money is much more significant then the RAM upgrade itself.

My $0.02 smile.gif

understandable, however I refuse to invest any more money towards a GPU because I would rather wait until the next generation is released. considering even a 7970 can't max crysis 3, I would rather wait until at least preliminary information and maybe some engineering sample benchmarks are released before I invest any additional money in this generation of GPU's.

also I forgot to mention, the funds for this upgrade will be a gift. so, there's very little if any out of pocket cost.
post #17 of 29
Why would you wait for next GPU but want to invest in a minimal upgrade when the next platform is even more around the corner.

Next gen of cards are suppose to be in December (AMD)

The real bottleneck in your rig is the GPU, not the CPU or the board or the RAM.

My 2 cents
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post #18 of 29
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Why would you wait for next GPU but want to invest in a minimal upgrade when the next platform is even more around the corner.

Next gen of cards are suppose to be in December (AMD)

The real bottleneck in your rig is the GPU, not the CPU or the board or the RAM.

My 2 cents

because I can't get a better performing GPU for $200, and 7870's in crossfire perform terribly according to the latest frame rating review. I can however get a faster ram kit for $70 that will give better performance out of the new cpu I bought compared to what i already have. I'm not entirely sold on a motherboard yet, or the ram, just debating the possibility of upgrading.

in addition, I don't want to spend $400 on a GPU, to find that the next gen midrange card will perform similarly at half the cost. were it a year ago, things would be different. I can wait 8 months.
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RAM will NOT give you a boost in performance unless you're on bulldozer but you aren't! tongue.gif
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RAM will NOT give you a boost in performance unless you're on bulldozer but you aren't! tongue.gif

Lol tongue.gif
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